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05-22-2014 | 06:41 AM

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United North at it again...

So it has been stated that United north FO's... apparently bidding 737 (backlogged training program) stretching training out > 90 days and using contract to "displace" into 756 CA seats that didn't have vacancies.

Seriously!?

05-22-2014 | 06:49 AM

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http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ua...-question.html

I don't think they need any help "stretching out" their training. The company is doing it on their own.

05-22-2014 | 07:11 AM

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If they have not completed training within 92 days of the effective date, then they can execute a bump to any position their seniority can hold, regardless if there is an open bid for it.

That's been in the contract for at least 20 years. It forces the company to train pilots into new vacancies in a timely manner.

05-22-2014 | 07:11 AM

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I just went through training....let's be honest...to make it past 90 days...someone has to work at it.

05-22-2014 | 07:12 AM

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No guts, no glory. Good for them.

05-22-2014 | 07:14 AM

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I just went through training....let's be honest...to make it past 90 days...someone has to work at it.

Its not "training takes longer than 90 days". Its the company awards them a bid, then waits forever to send them to training. If they get past the effective date and they call the company and the company tells them they are going to start training 80 days after the effective bid, they obviously can't complete training in 12 days, so they get a bump without ever even going to training.

05-22-2014 | 08:01 AM

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Seriously!!

05-22-2014 | 08:22 AM

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Exactly. This is yet another example of the North/South schism conspirisy monster raising its head. People aren't deliberately stretching out training that they've already started, they are never being sent to training at all. I have a friend in this exact same position. The South people are convinced the the North people are "stealing" "their" seats, but in reality it's simply yet another example of incompetent (South) management not doing their jobs.

05-22-2014 | 08:32 AM

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Its not "training takes longer than 90 days". Its the company awards them a bid, then waits forever to send them to training.

This is exactly what has been happening. No "scamming" of the system required.

(Hint: the "south" FOs have the identical contract.

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05-22-2014 | 08:34 AM

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Allright, back up. It is this that outrages you? Calpa delays the contract and sli for well over a year, cal pilots end up holding cap bids all over the ual system dramatically out of seniority (3000+ numbers in den alone) yet a handful of l-ual pilots utilize their contractual right to bump when uch can't get them trained (note, no training train wreck on the lual side) and you're outraged. Unreal.

Scott