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flightmedic01 05-26-2014 07:24 PM

Recurrent Training Bid
 
I was notified through CCS to bid for my recurrent sim in July. So I went into the training section and looked at what was available. Does anyone know why all of the dates listed (June 30-July31) have 0 (zero) slots available for any of the periods?

cal73 05-26-2014 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by flightmedic01 (Post 1652108)
I was notified through CCS to bid for my recurrent sim in July. So I went into the training section and looked at what was available. Does anyone know why all of the dates listed (June 30-July31) have 0 (zero) slots available for any of the periods?

Doesn't seem right.
but...
But bid for what you want. No more.
You are probably bidding for your early month. You are probably due in August and will go non-qual after September. You have two more months to complete CQMVLOE. My suggestion is to not have a recurrent training cycle ruin your July bid unless you are on reserve and are hoping to get a line from having the training absence on your schedule. (of course this is a gamble that doesnt always play out the way you expect).
The worst case scenario is you end up being assigned a recurrent training slot in September to keep you qualified.
Enjoy the summer time that you have away from work.

relax
have a beer.

APC225 05-26-2014 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by flightmedic01 (Post 1652108)
I was notified through CCS to bid for my recurrent sim in July. So I went into the training section and looked at what was available. Does anyone know why all of the dates listed (June 30-July31) have 0 (zero) slots available for any of the periods?

There is a near zero chance of going in your early month, not much better in your due month. This is the first time in 16 years I've gone in my grace month.

oldmako 05-26-2014 09:48 PM

My guess would be that all of the "United North" guys are at it again.

Several have called in sick repeatedly and have then taken impromptu trips to Cabo. Forget about what the contract says, these guys were responsible to schedule themselves for their training (and its completion) in a timely fashion, irrespective of whatever the training lady is doing this week. My Mint.....what the golly is that?

Others have called in fatigued after taking long languorous naps. It is rumored that they then went to Hawaii to compete in the Ironman. Some stayed out west to perform missionary work with homeless, lithe young Polynesian Princesses. When they will avail themselves for training is anyones guess. Perhaps they will show up for some of that rumored instructorless sim time in MIA? Clearly this is something for us all to be upset about. The nerve!

Some of the more resourceful have have scheduled brain surgery for their patients. After all, Brain Surgeons are in short supply and the pay is pretty decent.

I'm sure that the rest have just done their level best to sabotage the entire airline and are ruining everything for everybody. They have used their ALPA engineered ISL windfall to destroy the Taco Bus Lady's livelihood. My guess is that about 95 percent of the 600M loss can be laid directly at their feet. The rest of the loss we can just blame on the weather.

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130drvr 05-27-2014 04:06 AM

Grace month is July, CCS shows no slots. Bid for May and June(due month) with no award. I put in a July bid anyway just in case. Several buddies, one a Sept hire, are going to training in June. Weird.

yoter83 05-27-2014 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by 130drvr (Post 1652194)
Grace month is July, CCS shows no slots. Bid for May and June(due month) with no award. I put in a July bid anyway just in case. Several buddies, one a Sept hire, are going to training in June. Weird.

Same here. June is grace month, got awarded 2-4, then was removed after monthly schedule preferencing. No word so far on rescheduling it.

Dragon7 05-27-2014 06:45 AM

Got a notice on CCS to bid for early month. Got nada. Never heard again but got notices of sim expiring. Apparently on 9 new month schedule, where my crashpad mates who completed IOE before me are not. Emailed training to have a paper trail showing effort to avoid dropping dead. Got a CCS message scheduling me for sim right as qual expired. No bid.

Not playing around on probation.

YMMV.

Dave Fitzgerald 05-27-2014 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Dragon7 (Post 1652274)
Got a notice on CCS to bid for early month. Got nada. Never heard again but got notices of sim expiring. Apparently on 9 new month schedule, where my crashpad mates who completed IOE before me are not. Emailed training to have a paper trail showing effort to avoid dropping dead. Got a CCS message scheduling me for sim right as qual expired. No bid.

Not playing around on probation.

YMMV.

Seriously, even on probation, I would not worry about this. It is UAL's responsibility to schedule training. Once again, surprise, it doesn't seem to be working as well as it used to. :eek:

I would enjoy some paid time off at home when you go non-current. I am currently on a 3 week, paid, unplanned vacation for exactly this, non-current due to lack of PC. I suspected more people would be in my sinking boat and now have proof. Just keep all your documentation.

Again, enjoy the time off, and I would file an ALPA PDR.

flightmedic01 05-27-2014 01:17 PM

Thanks guys, appreciate the responses.

130drvr 05-27-2014 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 1652323)

I would enjoy some paid time off at home when you go non-current.

This ^^^^^^^:D:D

Of course probation expires in June, so even going in July is a little less stressful.

APC225 05-27-2014 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by 130drvr (Post 1652648)
This ^^^^^^^:D:D

Of course probation expires in June, so even going in July is a little less stressful.

You have no idea how right you are.

Atomized 05-28-2014 05:45 PM

Recurrent Training Bid
 
Is the first CQMV/LOE done at 9 months for new hires? Is that just a company thing and you can legally go 12 months from your new hire LOE?

flightmedic01 05-28-2014 07:22 PM

Recurrent Training Bid
 
My understanding is that with the AQP program, everyone does the 9 month cycle.

Also, I checked CCS and under the qualifications tab in training, and it shows my SIM check expiration to be 07/31/14. I took my LOE at the end of November '13, so 9 months from that would be August '14, and with a grace month, I thought I would expire September '14. Could it be they start the clock on when we started initial training in September, '13?

yoter83 06-19-2014 08:23 AM

Looks like my Sim Check qualification is going to lapse on 6/30/14. With the 15 days advanced notice per UPA, this will put me into NQ territory for a few days (the longer the better if it gives me July 4th weekend off). Anybody know what this means for my CQ training (i.e., is it the same syllabus, or will I have to go through a full "type ride")?

Dave Fitzgerald 06-19-2014 09:01 AM

No, just have to do a regular PC. Nothing extra. However, your base month stays the same. Meaning if you slide your PC a month because of scheduling, you don't get that month back for next time.

But....if there are problems with the equipment, like the sim crashes, and you have to come back and reschedule, now you still can't fly and get more paid time off till they can reschedule.

APC225 06-19-2014 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by flightmedic01 (Post 1653730)
My understanding is that with the AQP program, everyone does the 9 month cycle.

I believe new hires get their first one 9 months after line qualification, but after that the normal AQP is still on a 12 month cycle, for now.

APC225 06-19-2014 10:09 AM

Enjoy the 4th off.

mrmak2 06-25-2014 12:22 PM

Question: at what point does the year-to-year pay adjustment occur for the next higher pay rate ? So for example, if there is a CQDL trimester due and someone wants the credit to apply to the next pay step, could the module be completed anytime after the first day of that pay month or is it the actual anniversary day of the date of hire? Also, would the same principle apply to trip trades, etc?

sweptback 06-25-2014 12:27 PM

3-B-2 Longevity increases shall become effective on the first day of that Bid Period for longevity dates from the first through the twentieth days of the Bid Period, and on the first day of the following Bid Period for the longevity dates after the twentieth day of the Bid Period.

mrmak2 06-25-2014 12:52 PM

Thanks. Found it there as well


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