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Originally Posted by krudawg
(Post 1666204)
I'm guessing you've never been on the old Compuserve/ALPA forum. The moderators did nothing to stop the runaway liberal thuggery or thought police.
Its been my view that there is plenty of give and take from both sides on the old and the new forum. Those on the right toss some pretty heavy bombs as well. Its a forum after all. |
Originally Posted by Probe
(Post 1666107)
I'll bet a months pay there are either none, or less than 50 737 or A320 Capt vacancies in the next year., We are parking over 70 75's in the next year, and taking only 24 uberGuppies to replace them. That, and from 2010 to 2013 about 700 pilot's worth of block hours were transferred from U side to the C side.
In the next year there will be 700-1200 lUAL pilots displaced off the 76T fleet. Maybe a bit more. Because of the really junior lCal captains in all the bases, it will allow the vast majority (over 80%) of even the FO's in those bases to displace to the left seat if they want it. 24 Guppies in the next year requires 130-140 Captains. Not the 850 as another poster wrote. Even with 100 retirements off the 73, there is no scenario where we get anywhere near that number. Some of those pilots will displace to wide bodies, which should reduce even the vacancies on those fleets, minus Sparky because of the fence. I think everyone is going to be surprised how few vacancies will be available in the next 12-18 months. Shocked might be a better term. I think we will see a lot of Captain bids, despite the "pre-filling" of a years worth of Captains upgrades the day before the ISL and all the bumps. I think people underestimate how great being on uberGuppy reserve is and will gladly go fly widebody FO. We are going to find out though. |
Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 1666195)
IMPOSSIBLE! I've read right here on APC that here will be no bumps.;)
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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer
(Post 1666280)
We keep being told no bumps, then it happens, then they tell us it costs the company too much, then they do it again, etc.
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Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 1666219)
A differing view is liberal thuggery by the thought police?
Its been my view that there is plenty of give and take from both sides on the old and the new forum. Those on the right toss some pretty heavy bombs as well. Its a forum after all. |
Beware the JIT.
They have saved the day for the company before. Dogg |
Originally Posted by krudawg
(Post 1666422)
It would be helpful for us if you were to describe what a "heavy bomb" means to you.
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Originally Posted by krudawg
(Post 1666204)
I'm guessing you've never been on the old Compuserve/ALPA forum. The moderators did nothing to stop the runaway liberal thuggery or thought police.
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
(Post 1666453)
So couple mods on a forum that predates the IPod means conservative beliefs at UAL are subject to pitch forks? After comparing notes with friends in numerous other career tracks I can report that none of them ever had articles from American Riflemen read aloud to them at work as I have. :rolleyes:
I'd suggest folks post pro-union dogma on a deeply "conservative" (broad strokes, so apologies in advance) forum in 2014 and see if the reaction is similar. |
Easier than clubbing baby seals! Keep it up gents.
The point that I was trying to make is that the free flow and exchange of ideas is healthy in a democracy. I don't have all the answers, just as I am sure that some of those who scream the loudest don't either. |
Originally Posted by krudawg
(Post 1666204)
I'm guessing you've never been on the old Compuserve/ALPA forum. The moderators did nothing to stop the runaway liberal thuggery or thought police.
The answer in never to have a moderator make the decision on an argument by limiting or banning one from a forum for their views. That usually happens after 3 or 4 buddies get together to bend the moderators ear and press their agenda. Within the framework of the forum - in this case pilots/airlines - all discussions and arguments can be resolved one way or the other. The old CompuServe forum played by those rules and let the group decide by their participation on a specific subject. We seem to have moved into a more sensitive phase as an airline and pilot group. Any guess as to why that happened? We're grown men, speak up - Many may agree with you but when they don't, don't cry. |
Originally Posted by Nothere
(Post 1666556)
The old CompuServe forum played by those rules and let the group decide by their participation on a specific subject. We seem to have moved into a more sensitive phase as an airline and pilot group. Any guess as to why that happened?
1.) The Union got out of the forum business. As a bargaining agent, they couldn't legally muzzle a member in good standing without a long drawn-out ordeal. That environment led to a horrible experience for anyone except for the blowhard inbreds who monopolized those forums. 2.) Privately owned forums like this one have published rules, and more importably, the latitude to remove problem users at will. There's no such thing as "free speech" here. On APC, "any post or any user can be removed for any reason". Additionally, politics and religion are off limits which also goes a long way to improving the focus of the forum. I don't think that pilots have moved towards a "sensitive phase", I think the majority of pilots have been moderates all along. The difference is that venues like APC can easily turn the squelch up on those who wear out their welcome. |
Originally Posted by Nothere
(Post 1666556)
The answer in never to have a moderator make the decision on an argument by limiting or banning one from a forum for their views. That usually happens after 3 or 4 buddies get together to bend the moderators ear and press their agenda. Within the framework of the forum - in this case pilots/airlines - all discussions and arguments can be resolved one way or the other. The old CompuServe forum played by those rules and let the group decide by their participation on a specific subject. We seem to have moved into a more sensitive phase as an airline and pilot group. Any guess as to why that happened?
We're grown men, speak up - Many may agree with you but when they don't, don't cry.
Originally Posted by CRM114
(Post 1666599)
Two reasons.
1.) The Union got out of the forum business. As a bargaining agent, they couldn't legally muzzle a member in good standing without a long drawn-out ordeal. That environment led to a horrible experience for anyone except for the blowhard inbreds who monopolized those forums. I know of only one person on the MEC who tried to control speech and that was PW when he was the MIA LEC Chairman. We know how that ended up - he knew everything, didn't he?
Originally Posted by CRM114
(Post 1666599)
Two reasons.
2.) Privately owned forums like this one have published rules, and more importably, the latitude to remove problem users at will. There's no such thing as "free speech" here. On APC, "any post or any user can be removed for any reason". Additionally, politics and religion are off limits which also goes a long way to improving the focus of the forum.
Originally Posted by CRM114
(Post 1666599)
I don't think that pilots have moved towards a "sensitive phase", I think the majority of pilots have been moderates all along.
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Originally Posted by Nothere
(Post 1666635)
Carrying his backpack, the new United Pilot ask the hotel front desk "person" - do you have a workout room? Is there a Mall close by? Where the United pilot of old would have asked the front desk girl if there was a bar close by and do the ladies(PC) show up there?
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Originally Posted by CRM114
(Post 1666678)
One of these mornings as you walk to the curb to pick up your morning newspaper you'll realize that generational shifts occur, well, about every generation. The only thing you're proving is that your old.
When you look around and try to find somebody to blame remember that the "old guys" haven't had a majority for the past ten years and everything happening in your career is a direct result of the inaction of your chosen classification. Moderate or lazy, I don't know you brought it with you. |
I love freedom of speech and thought, as long as it agrees with my own views.
I just went through the category summary for 14-10v. There are still about 1100 pilots listed in the 76T category. 70-80% of those will get bumped. I think the first set of bumps will be very large, and the Message from Howie alluded to them as "right-sizing". They couldn't bump them pre-ISL as there was no where to bump them too without overstaffing other fleets. Look out below........... |
>>>...... That environment led to a horrible experience for anyone except for the blowhard inbreds who monopolized those forums.<<< Exactly! That quote describes very well my experience on the old Compuserve ALPA Forum. I could name some of the worst offenders but I have a feeling, everyone that went on that old forum knows who the blowhards were and are grateful they don't lurk on APC
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Originally Posted by krudawg
(Post 1666727)
>>>...... That environment led to a horrible experience for anyone except for the blowhard inbreds who monopolized those forums.<<< Exactly! That quote describes very well my experience on the old Compuserve ALPA Forum. I could name some of the worst offenders but I have a feeling, everyone that went on that old forum knows who the blowhards were and are grateful they don't lurk on APC
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Originally Posted by CRM114
(Post 1666678)
One of these mornings as you walk to the curb to pick up your morning newspaper you'll realize that generational shifts occur, well, about every generation. The only thing you're proving is that your old.
http://kitschinlogic.files.wordpress...no-in-robe.gif Rest in peace Tony. PS, AJ is still a jerk. Carmella remarried a plastic surgeon. Meadow is living in SoCal and dating a body builder steroid addict. Christopher is a meth head. The Russian chick with one leg lives in Palm Beach and is the CEO of her own billion dollar multi national business. Paulie is back in the big house. Silvio and The Bing are doing just fine. Beansie is poolside with a mess of babes. He now owns 27 Dominoes franchises. The old guys are still on the farm in upstate NY. Big Pussies widow Angie, runs her own family now. 4 Capos, 17 soldiers. Artie remains mired in self loathing and whining about Visuvio. His wife is still hot. Satriale's has a big sale this weekend. Furio married the best looking woman on the show, The Dons daughter in Italy. Rosalie is dating three guys, none older than 30. Janice is still a pain in the ass. Dr Melfi is just bored these days. Gawd I miss that show! |
Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 1666788)
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Originally Posted by Probe
(Post 1666715)
I love freedom of speech and thought, as long as it agrees with my own views.
I just went through the category summary for 14-10v. There are still about 1100 pilots listed in the 76T category. 70-80% of those will get bumped. I think the first set of bumps will be very large, and the Message from Howie alluded to them as "right-sizing". They couldn't bump them pre-ISL as there was no where to bump them too without overstaffing other fleets. Look out below........... |
Should we tell James the truth about Christo-fuh?
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By all means! What's he up to besides Tequila commercials?
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Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 1667209)
By all means! What's he up to besides Tequila commercials?
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Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 1666788)
I flew James G. and his son from LAX to JFK not too long before he checked outta this life way too early. Nice guy, he was one hell of an actor to play T so well. |
Originally Posted by UASnake
(Post 1667308)
+1. Best series ever made.
I flew James G. and his son from LAX to JFK not too long before he checked outta this life way too early. Nice guy, he was one hell of an actor to play T so well. |
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