Vacancy Bid 14-12V (120 EWR FOs 737/320)
 

Looks like more hiring.. All EWR FO on the 737 and 320

That's the same date the Aug & Sep COLA requests are due.

Haha I was wondering about that too.

Right hand, meet left hand. :confused:;)

"Don't expect many colas for wide bodies". Just expect leaves on the chronically understaffed fleets. :rolleyes:

Balance?
 

So that will put EWR at 44 airbus captains and 145 first officers. Maybe we are getting ETOPS cert for the bus and the extras are for IRO...

Kidding of course, but we sure are heavy on the FOs.

New hires on those fleets because they are expecting people to bid over to the 756?

If so, I may be rethinking my bid when I get to class next week. A new hire is going to languish forever on the bottom of the 76T list (or the 756 when the get BAT'd) if I'm reading this right.

FlyGirl, my rec for new hires is any NB aircraft... Picking a WB might seem like the jackpot but you will incur a freeze and will be on the bottom for at least 2 years (seat freeze)...

What if military leave played into the decision?

Still go NB. The pay difference after year one is only a few bucks per hour, and if you decide you do want to make the jump you can bid it while out on mil leave.

As far as base movement and bidding to the location you want, you'll have better options being in a NB seat. You can always bid up, you can't bid back down.

i.e. if you're on the EWR 737 but Denver is where you want to live, if you're on the 737 you can bid 737 and anything above it at that base. If you're on the 76T, you can't bid back down to 737 in Denver for two years. Make sense?

True, but we've had these "COLAs" for years, and they say you can have a month or partial month off, and then out of the entire airline they would offer maybe 30 people partial months off, so it really isn't that big of a deal. The JAN, FEB and MAR COLA bulletin resulted in 1 pilot getting exactly 7 days off in 3 months our of over 100 pilots, which is essentially 1/12th of 1% of the available pilots being awarded time off.

So this isn't what it seems, and it doesn't mean we are overstaffed by 1,400 pilots which is what some people thought pre-SLI when they saw this.

They also offered this for APR and MAY and then didn't award anybody during those months.

So there is a difference between what is offered and what is awarded.

I know that you are using Denver for explanatory reasons only here. But I will mention just for education sake for the new hires about the seniority levels on the 76T in Denver. I was hired in 1997 that makes 17 years on property at UAL. I've never been furloughed and I am one of the bottom 5 pilots on reserve in the right seat of the 76T in Denver.

What happened was when they shut down the 737 almost all of the 737 captains that couldn't hold 320 or 76T captain in Denver surplussed to the right seat of 76T. Then all of us other jr captains who were commuting to the left seat from Denver on the 737 or the 320 who got surplussed and couldn't hold captain anywhere anymore just came back to Denver and most of us went to the right seat of the 76T as well.

I don't think there is a single solitary F/O on the 76T in Denver who can't hold 737 captain everywhere and 756 captain in most places. So IF you bid the 76T and are wanting to come to Denver anytime soon fuggedaboudit. Not to mention they are talking about shutting down the 76T in Denver all together. As a new hire your movement options are much better on the 320 or the 737. Plus the pay is about the same so go for the seniority, take a NB bid you'll make a lot more money and you will have more choices.

The JRMAN list shows that there are many guppy Captains that can't hold 76T FO in DEN, so I'd avoid that fleet if someone is looking to get into DEN. Probably the guppy fleet is the best, but that still looks like a few years away for new hires.

But if a new hire wanted to work in the Training Center as a PI they could probably get to DEN within their first year......

Must be true. I asked for one of those COLAs and I never heard nothin'. I wish they would at least say denied. Put mine in for Aug/Sep. You can't win if you don't play.

You need 12 bid months on property in the new contract to be eligible for a PI job.

Chairman

APC225

Welcome to the new United. No one answers emails, returns calls etc. On a brighter note, after 20-100 minutes on hold, sometimes you do get to talk to someone in Mumbai about one of your numerous IT issues.

Most unprofessional thing I have ever had the misfortune to be involved with.

Ayyyyyuuuppp!

Did the new seniority and junior man list at each base and equipt come out recently?

I'm a twice furloughed and now vol furloughed pilot trying to figure out what I can hold and when and if it is worth coming back.

Can someone PM with the list so I can see it. Also if I come back can I only bid what the new hire class has on offer or can I bid what I can hold and what about seat locks.

I've been out of the loop for years so I have no information on anything.

It's not unfamiliar. LCAL's approach was if someone could get back to you then that department was obviously overstaffed and they'd reduce the size of it until they couldn't. Not the department's fault. Good people in them, just understaffed. In 2003 they saw that reserves weren't flying their MPG each month so they came to what they thought was an obvious conclusion from a windowless office, that they didn't need so many pilots. Furloughed another "tranche" and couldn't meet their schedule and lost some premium CRAF flying too. Gordon fired the person who made that decision, someone pretty high up and politically well-placed. There are no Gordon's here now.

Nope just Jeffs

Yup............

If you are 2x furloughed I'm gonna assume you are on furlough bypass. This is a technically important distinction.

A furloughed pilot, including one who was recalled but bypassed, returns to whatever is offered in the recall/new-hire class.

A pilot who took an official voluntary furlough, and was not subsequently involuntarily furloughed, returns to his/her prior base/equipment/seat. If that BES no longer exists that pilot can bump into anything they can hold on the junior man list.

Unlike in the past, a pilot on any sort of furlough has access to the full UA intranet so you can log on and see everything. Also, with the UPA there is not a seat lock if you move UP an aircraft group so one could, for example, receive EWR 737 and then immediately bid 767 in a different base if a lateral in the 737 is not available. The old freeze is dropped and only the 2 year training freeze from the new bid is carried forward.

Be very cautious with the junior man chart as things have not quite settled out after the SLI and the company's realignments. There are some bases that might look good on paper but there simply have not been any bids available to get there. In addition to the junior man chart, look at the fleet rosters for your desired base to figure out your actual % in that BES for a more realistic picture.

PMAIL me and I will help you as best I can.

Case in point, EWR junior 777 FO is something like 9800. Last vacancy bid junior guy that got it was 4400. Same story for 73/756 left seats.

Anyone care to speculate on 73 FOs at IAH? Same guy at the bottom of the list since last fall and we've all been moving backward WRT the G Line. Contemplating a move to EWR where I'd easily have a line.

Where do you live?

Need more info before a recommendation can be made. I'd go NB out the gate and then lateral to your desired domicile first chance... You'll get to fly more on NB (than a WB bunkie) and learn the ropes... I'd recommend getting off probation before going long term mil leave... As another guy said you can always bid WB after 2 years.

IAH and EWR 737 to keep shrinking while LAX, SFO, DEN & ORD to increase in size.

Thanks for the input... Have about a week to make a decision on 76T vs. 737. FWIW, EWR is actually the easiest commute for me, so I plan on staying put for a while

No such thing as an easy commute to EWR. My advise is even if your show is 9 pm take the first flight. Anytime after 12 they can and will slap domestic delays just because. Just a heads up. Been in EWR for over 8 years now between my commuter and here and most days we would hope to finish within 2 hours of scheduled. :D

Wise words Obi Wan! Grasshopper should pay heed.

If you are holding a line use the commuter policy in the contract.....no stress no second guessing :)

Make sure you look at the recent bid awards. All weekend flying for the bottom 40ish line holders, LGA trips and largely non-commutable trips. For all these reasons you will see many of us that can hold a line bidding reserve. A 15 day line that is non-commutable means 18-20 days away from home, even worse depending on where you're commuting from. Throw in some early AM LGA trips and double duty to the West Coast and back, and a line may look less desirable. Just my $.02.

How'd you figure lax in that formula/swag?? We're selling our gates to our rivals...real american genius that FLIBS is...landed 32 mins early a while back( lax) and had to wait for a gate...blocked in 3 mins late..:eek:

The latest bid is growing LAX 737 about 30% by Nov. Like you I am scratching my head at where they think these planes are gonna go since the uber guppy cant park at the 80 gates and we gave up 4 gates in T6.

They will probably put the guppies on the RJ parking area just east of T-8 and bus people out there to them. That would seriously not surprise me.

Wow! That would seriously not surprise me as well...we are sooooo *!!!!!!

Its about 75% that we have a gate available in LAX when we land. That's not the case for almost any other station. Probably 95% at other stations. And this is in an airplane that can fit at about any gate.

So... Pros and cons of the Airbus and the 737? Looks like the predicted 11 76Ts for my class next week won't be there after all!

Depends on where you live.. and what you like to fly~
How fast you want/need a line too...

Motch

I live in Dayton, Ohio... Commuting will be a fact of life, perhaps forever (though a move to New England may happen before retirement). What I like to fly: anything in UAL's fleet suits me just fine. I know. Boeing but I'm not opposed to learning something new. How fast? Well, I am prepared to deal with reserve for a couple of years (in between leaves for military duty)... So the question is: Are the trips pretty similar out of EWR?

Yeah,bro, you know I've been contemplating it for a while. Not worth it quite yet. My biggest question is how long til there's movement in IAH.