Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > United
Remain calm, all is well! >

Remain calm, all is well!

Search

Notices

Remain calm, all is well!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-14-2014 | 10:03 AM
  #1  
CRM114's Avatar
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
Default Remain calm, all is well!

Two days after joining the Star Alliance (after a multi-year "thanks but no thanks" for failed safety audits), Air India pops a motor on a 777 and returns to EWR, hard landing, blows tires. UA code on that flight.

Market is up to record levels today, all airlines up, except UA which is down 1%.

"Operational Excellence" abounds (also known as moving forward?) but all the suits are promising 3 quarters of stellar earnings in 2014.

UA reports Q2 earnings on 7/24, I guess we'll see.
Reply
Old 07-14-2014 | 10:06 AM
  #2  
oldmako's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,076
Likes: 3
From: The GF of FUPM
Default

Dude are you pushing my leg?
Reply
Old 07-14-2014 | 10:39 AM
  #3  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,508
Likes: 109
Default

Originally Posted by CRM114
Two days after joining the Star Alliance (after a multi-year "thanks but no thanks" for failed safety audits), Air India pops a motor on a 777 and returns to EWR, hard landing, blows tires. UA code on that flight.

Market is up to record levels today, all airlines up, except UA which is down 1%.

"Operational Excellence" abounds (also known as moving forward?) but all the suits are promising 3 quarters of stellar earnings in 2014.

UA reports Q2 earnings on 7/24, I guess we'll see.
Estimates are $1.99 EPS.

For comparison we lost I think $1.38 per share Q1 vs and estimate of $1.33
Reply
Old 07-14-2014 | 06:34 PM
  #4  
Banned
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Default

Is there an obvious reason why there would be such a massive difference from one quarter to another? I have never heard anyone mention one. Did UAL pay cash for a ton of planes last quarter or pay off a billion in debt or something that would cause such a swing from negative to positive?

What's the magic accounting going on behind the scenes to cause this?
Reply
Old 07-14-2014 | 06:41 PM
  #5  
oldmako's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,076
Likes: 3
From: The GF of FUPM
Default



??
Reply
Old 07-14-2014 | 07:16 PM
  #6  
Don't say Guppy
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,926
Likes: 0
From: Guppy driver
Default

1st (last) and 4th quarters are always weak for US airlines. In a good year they break even. 2nd and 3rd is where they make money. DAL's and AMR's profits last quarter were astounding for a 1st quarter.
Reply
Old 07-14-2014 | 07:23 PM
  #7  
Banned
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 962
Likes: 0
Default

"Remain calm, all is well!" Sounds like the government.
Reply
Old 07-14-2014 | 07:23 PM
  #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,253
Likes: 0
Default

This was written by a couple analysts today from Stifel. I choke on vomet too at the confidence in management line, but it's clear our crud results are going to result in street pressure to restructure (read shrink DEN, LAX, IAD). Sadly I think firing Jeff is not in the cards unless Carl Ichan shows up.



"United has struggled to improve its operating margin performance since it began experiencing integration and operational challenges in late 2011 which has resulted in a significant degree of margin underperformance as Delta’s profitability has improved as United’s has not. While United has outlined a strategy designed to improve its revenue performance (near-to-mid term) and cost structure (mid-to-long term), the pace at which it is able to show improvement – both on an absolute basis and relative to Delta and American Airlines – remains somewhat unclear.

In addition, we believe there are some investors who believe that United’s plans for improvement do not go far enough and that a more aggressive strategy is necessary – one that would likely revolve around a restructuring of the company’s hubs and the breadth of its domestic network. In our view, United’s management team is willing to adjust its strategy – and become more aggressive – if the underperformance continues, but would prefer not to restructure any additional hubs (beyond the de-hubbing of Cleveland) given the complexity of such efforts and the impact to headcount.

Our point, to be clear, is not to suggest that United needs an activist to force the hand of management (we have confidence in the current management team), but rather to point out that the company appears to fit the criteria of what certain activists have been looking for recently to identify opportunities."
Reply
Old 07-14-2014 | 07:36 PM
  #9  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 943
Likes: 0
From: 747 Captain, retired
Default

Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
This was written by a couple analysts today from Stifel. I choke on vomet too at the confidence in management line, but it's clear our crud results are going to result in street pressure to restructure (read shrink DEN, LAX, IAD). Sadly I think firing Jeff is not in the cards unless Carl Ichan shows up.



"United has struggled to improve its operating margin performance since it began experiencing integration and operational challenges in late 2011 which has resulted in a significant degree of margin underperformance as Delta’s profitability has improved as United’s has not. While United has outlined a strategy designed to improve its revenue performance (near-to-mid term) and cost structure (mid-to-long term), the pace at which it is able to show improvement – both on an absolute basis and relative to Delta and American Airlines – remains somewhat unclear.

In addition, we believe there are some investors who believe that United’s plans for improvement do not go far enough and that a more aggressive strategy is necessary – one that would likely revolve around a restructuring of the company’s hubs and the breadth of its domestic network. In our view, United’s management team is willing to adjust its strategy – and become more aggressive – if the underperformance continues, but would prefer not to restructure any additional hubs (beyond the de-hubbing of Cleveland) given the complexity of such efforts and the impact to headcount.

Our point, to be clear, is not to suggest that United needs an activist to force the hand of management (we have confidence in the current management team), but rather to point out that the company appears to fit the criteria of what certain activists have been looking for recently to identify opportunities."
This just might be the kick in the pants to the board to fire Jeff and put somebody in that knows how to run an airline.
Reply
Old 07-14-2014 | 08:54 PM
  #10  
Don't say Guppy
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,926
Likes: 0
From: Guppy driver
Default

I have been waiting 15 years. I am glad I wasn't holding my breath.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
EWRflyr
United
25
04-23-2014 07:53 PM
beeker
United
21
04-19-2012 05:20 PM
vagabond
Major
15
05-16-2011 09:55 PM
jet320
Hangar Talk
4
06-13-2008 10:37 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices