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I agree that Sen. trip trade should be run one more time at 10:59. However, looking at open time tomorrow 2 good trips dropped into open time at 7:03 and 7:06!! I really think Scheduling is holding onto trips until after the Sen trip trade window closes so we can't use it!? (Therefore they could hold onto trip until after 11:00 and still avoid Sen trip trade!) There also needs to be a way we can trade a trip via CCS like the old days without having to call Scheduling!! OK, that will be my only conspiracy theory for today! :)

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Originally Posted by Free Flyer (Post 1687802)

Your rant is exactly correct. And I should know, because I bid reserve for this specific reason rather than be a junior line holder. The system is flawed and I'll tell you why.

They allow us reserves to aggressively grab trips and block them from lineholders and this is how we on reserve can cherry pick the open pairings and get the good stuff.

There is no way on this green earth that I should be getting the Hong Kong trips (31:35 hour 4 day), but I do and I should be getting all of the London (20:00 hour 4 days) in EWR.

How do we solve this or why should we? I'll tell you why, because it's not fair to the lineholders or senior pilots who can't trade their garbage trips for a better one while a reservist like myself comes along and nails the premium pairings. Someday I will be a solid lineholder and I won't like it when the junior reserves get the good trips, so let's fix it now and spread the love where it should be. Some of you senior folks have put up with more years of crap than I have been on property, so rightfully, you should get the good trips.

How do we solve it? Talk to the union and see if they can't set up another trip trade run that runs at 10:30am local for the lineholders. That way you get one last shot at a trade before we reservists aggressively grab them at 11:00am local.

Just trying to keep it real and be fair.

I'm not sure why you are dumping on reserves so hard. The only nugget for reserves is an occasional good trip and of course, on some fleets, enjoying a few extra days off per month. Other than that life sucks as a reserve. Do you want to take away the only good deal a reserve has because you somehow feel slighted IF you were a lineholder?

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Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 1687877)

This system seems to be a consolidation of the worst of both Legacy systems.

Amen! Splitting a four day into two shorter trips the day prior used to just require company concurrence (you had a [slim] chance). Now it's impossible because one is a real time trade and the other is a seniority trade. That's just one pet peeve with our new system.

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Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1689209)

I'm not sure why you are dumping on reserves so hard.

I'm pretty sure it's because he actually knows what seniority is (or in this case, should be). Reserves are typically junior. As such, they should fly the junior trips, not have first dibs on the cherry trips that pop up most mornings.

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Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1689209)

I am a reserve pilot! So I guess I'm dumping on myself? Duh. What I'm saying is that I'm looking to the future (yes, I know it's hard for some of us pilots to look beyond today's events), when I become a solid line holder I'd like to have that trip trade window do one last run at 10:30am local time. So why not offer that now to the current line holders. Make our seniority worth something.

Example. This month I did 2 Beijing, 1 Delhi, and had a carry in from a Frankfurt. So I worked 13 days for 94:30 pay. Now look up the EWR 777 FO lines and tell me how many line holders can pull that stunt with their pre awarded lines.

I'm not bragging, but what I'm proving is that the system is flawed.

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Originally Posted by Free Flyer (Post 1690358)

Having been real senior on equipment before it's a dual-edged sword. I used to agonize over my bids. Spending hours doing analysis over what if scenarios. I'm now very junior and spend about 1 minute on my bids. I know I can't hold weekends or holidays off so I just "punt" (I let CCS decide). You know what, I am home most holidays and weekends and very occasionally, I pick up a great trip. But if you want to take that away from me, then go ahead; it won't ruin my day

It appears as though the union has remedied this issue with one of our bulletins. Now there is another seniority based trip trade run at 0900 Local Base Time. I'm glad to see this. Congrats to you line holders, some day I'll be in your shoes and I will enjoy this benefit :)

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Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1686899)

Yet the Marvins and other sycophants will bend over backwards to help out whenever possible.

Word! This management sucks period. Everytime I get a Union message highlighting the shenanigans, half-truths, and ineptness of the Company I find myself getting a little older and slower and unattached. Of course this infuriates some of the Johnny Appleseeds planting feel good seeds at every opportunity; do you want to go faster, slower, a shortcut, a higher altitude, how's your line, can't wait to fly the Max, you think Cleveland will close? All this while I'm staring at a piece of krapp otherwise known as a crewmeal brought to me by flight attendants that are about as uncaring as can possibly be. And I'm just getting started. Now that is a rant.

Feel free to chime in all you idiot Marvins.

Ok, I'll bit, chiming it. Yes this management sucks!