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Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1756423)

United is paying for and owns the new E175s going to express

Not completely true. I think only Mesa's are paid for by UAL. Skywest and Republic paid for their own.

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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1756374)

Which is part of the problem. We have guys that say "Get that flying now and we will deal with payrates etc later" and then we have guys complaining that the E-190 pay rates are too low and how we screwed that up.

So which is it? We aren't going to have it both ways. I see the problem being that we are still below C2000 payrates, and this does not even take into account inflation. Fix that first, then deal with E-175 being on the property.

The idea of the E175 coming on property is slim to nun. I think the answer is to get the 90 seaters first then go after pay rates. You do pay first then the economics favor them not adding the fleet type to the company. Having higher payrates does nothing but make the margins on the 90 look worse. So when you add that up with the cost of a new fleet type the return is distant. Once you are operating the fleet and have all the start up costs paid down the increase in crew cost is easier to add into the operation. The increase can be some what offset by the efficiency of scale of the larger fleet. What is your thought process as to how doing the rates first will get the flying in-sourced quicker?

Even the E190 is looking less and less likely based on HA's weekly message. He basically said they only looking at used aircraft types that we already operate. Sounds like the two -700s are coming from Copa which is getting rid of 17 737-700s over the next few years.

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Originally Posted by boxer6 (Post 1756695)

Ok...I stand corrected. You mean to tell me DALALPA allowed 175's with76 seats BEFORE C12? Or did they allow 70 to grow to 76 during C12 negotiations?
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175s and CRJ900s were already being flown before C12. There was also a company called "Compass" flying 175s that Delta inherited, but you would need to go talk to a LNWA guy as to why they allowed that operation to start up.

No 70 seaters were allowed to upguage. In fact the number of 70s was frozen. No more were allowed. One 76 was allowed for every 2 50s that left, up to the agreed upon max, which still hasn't been reached. There were mileage limits placed on the aircraft, and as soon as 1 mainline pilot was furloughed, all 76 seaters had to be immediately parked until they were converted to 70 seaters. That is a huge economic stick.

FWIW, the company wanted unlimited amounts of 80+ seat RJs to be flown at DCI, but were told to pound sand on that. The overall end result of C12 scope was to actually stop the growth of DCI and the the beginning of bringing that flying back to mainline. It is only accelerating with the 717s and whatever 100 seater that are thinking about. Where DALPA fails is in WB scope, with JVs and codeshares.