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pilotgolfer 11-22-2014 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 1768953)
Purely my personal observations flying with each side. I came after the merger so the only dog I have in this hunt is unity and success. The vast majority are for team work and long term success but when guys "take sides" that's where they seem to be. That said, and I think a lot have this experience, where the CAL vs UAL attitude seems to be most pervasive in the flight attendants.

Okay...I guess I read too much into your comment.

cal73 11-22-2014 05:14 PM

I think both sides should **** and move on.


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SpecialTracking 11-22-2014 05:19 PM

This really isn't that hard once you've determined who the true adversary is.

oldmako 11-23-2014 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 1768953)
.... the CAL vs UAL attitude seems to be most pervasive in the flight attendants.

It seems as though that's how the LCAL FA's and Jeff want it.

Grumble 11-23-2014 06:51 AM



Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 1768953)
.... the CAL vs UAL attitude seems to be most pervasive in the flight attendants.

It seems as though that's how the LCAL FA's and Jeff want it.
I would agree. I've had LCAL FAs specifically say they don't want a JCBA.

beeker 11-23-2014 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 1769403)
I would agree. I've had LCAL FAs specifically say they don't want a JCBA.

They are afraid they will get stuck with work rules that will cut their pay in half.

jsled 11-23-2014 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1769493)
They are afraid they will get stuck with work rules that will cut their pay in half.

The company is working that out. Hiring on the Black side, furloughing on the Blue. A couple of early outs, and viola...the 2 sides are getting very close to the same size. Better for voting in a Cal-like JCBA, which btw, is what I hope happens. Our FA contract is straight out of the '50s. There are manpower rules in there that we gave up in C2000. Nice to have in Never Never Land, but not realistic in the real world where non- union DAL and productive SWA are chewing at our butts.

SpecialTracking 11-23-2014 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1769699)
The company is working that out. Hiring on the Black side, furloughing on the Blue. A couple of early outs, and viola...the 2 sides are getting very close to the same size. Better for voting in a Cal-like JCBA, which btw, is what I hope happens. Our FA contract is straight out of the '50s. There are manpower rules in there that we gave up in C2000. Nice to have in Never Never Land, but not realistic in the real world where non- union DAL and productive SWA are chewing at our butts.

Disagree with you on that one. First, that kind of smells of the race to the bottom mentality. Second, what if it was you trying to hold onto the work rules?

Probe 11-23-2014 04:09 PM

When you furlough a lUAL FA, I believe they keep most of their benefits, including health insurance. This gets expensive really quick.
Now they offered a couple of thousand FA's an early out, and they took it. The problem is a lot of them were already furloughed or on LOA's, so it didn't reduce the rolls of active FA's that much.

SpecialTracking 11-23-2014 04:21 PM

It's expensive for a reason. To prevent furloughs.


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