That could be our "out", if the 797 actually becomes more than a paper airplane.
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
(Post 2715392)
42
752s 21 753s Are less than 20 years old Plus, $$$ is being put into the 767s with the Polaris mods. Looks like management is planning on them being around a bit longer---or at least long enough for their replacements (whatever that it.) |
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 2715472)
Yup.
Plus, $$$ is being put into the 767s with the Polaris mods. Looks like management is planning on them being around a bit longer---or at least long enough for their replacements (whatever that it.) That will mean 17 in this configuration and 14 in the Polaris configuration and 7 that will stay in the two class configuration done 7-8 years ago. The 14 Polaris and the 7 old configuration have the same total seats, so they are basically interchangeable. What remains to be seen is how long the 7 old configuration will remain around. Then how long the 14 Polaris aircraft remain after that. It does seem that they have determined which aircraft are the highest priority to keep around, now we will have to wait and see when the economics (as United sees it) and replacement aircraft availability determine that they are no longer worth keeping around. |
Originally Posted by GoCats67
(Post 2715486)
, now we will have to wait and see when the economics (as United sees it) and replacement aircraft availability determine that they are no longer worth keeping around.
As long as Jacques Lapointe isn't involved in the math we have a chance at reaching the correct answer to the math problem. The real issue is lift capacity on international long haul routes. We need more lift. The guppy can't do it all. |
Originally Posted by GoCats67
(Post 2715486)
The oldest 767-300s are getting the Polaris Mods with the traditional layout of 30BF/46E+/138E. The youngest are slated to get a new mod that is 46BF/22PE/99E. Not sure what the route plan is for these, but it shows that 14 of them will be configured that way.
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Originally Posted by rnav2dlrey
(Post 2715969)
the super low density 763 (the 738 has as many seats) will be UA’s LHR RASM beast. GVA/ZRH and other heavy biz markets may see it as well, but that config is designed for LHR.
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
(Post 2715323)
Not at all. Just look at the data.
https://simpleflying.com/boeing-787-vs-the-airbus-a350/ You are trying to use the exception (SIN-LAX, SIN-NYC) to prove the rule. Sorry that dog don't hunt. As is pointed out in the debate you cite on the vast majority of the city pairs the 787-9 is about 6% more fuel efficient than the A350-900 on a pax-km/liter of fuel. The 787 also has the added benefits of lower cabin altitudes, fresh (no engine bleed), humidified cabin air and a superior FCRF. https://simpleflying.com/norwegian-i...-is-the-worst/ For further review check this out. https://www.airliners.net/forum/view...?f=5&t=1406387 From post #36 in that thread based on performance models the fuel burn difference is very close when comparing the same payload, over the same distance. Im not disputing that the 787 is efficient, but so is the A350. It just depends on what size aircraft you need and how far you need to fly it. Will the 350 burn more? Yes. It is a bigger airplane with higher thrust engines, but the 350 can carry a larger payload then the 787, and carry that payload further. So if marketing thinks they can profitably sell the increase in seats on a 350 vs the 787 the fuel burn advantage on a particular route of the 787 is offset. And the 350 has the same cabin altitude of 6000’ and same on the humidity so no difference there. And can one really tell if it’s bleed air or not? The 350 is a quieter cabin as measured by 6 DB according to Airbus (https://www.travelandleisure.com/air...0-first-flight) As far as the FCRF, since we don’t have them, kinda hard to compare don’t you think? And don’t tell me because it’s UAL ALPA disapproved that it isn’t comfortable. The 350 doesn’t meet the FAR requirements for square footage, that doesn’t say anything about comfort levels. And to date the CROC and MEC have not given the company any relief from needing to meet the FAR (by not asking for a waiver from the FAA) which I totally support. |
Originally Posted by C11DCA
(Post 2716587)
Pardon me if I don’t take a blog that has been in existence for 5 months as gospel regarding airplane economics. For further review check this out. From post #36 in that thread
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Originally Posted by C11DCA
(Post 2716587)
So if marketing thinks they can profitably sell the increase in seats on a 350 vs the 787 the fuel burn advantage on a particular route of the 787 is offset.
Originally Posted by C11DCA
(Post 2716587)
And can one really tell if it’s bleed air or not?
Originally Posted by C11DCA
(Post 2716587)
And don’t tell me because it’s UAL ALPA disapproved that it isn’t comfortable.
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Originally Posted by C11DCA
(Post 2716587)
As far as the FCRF, since we don’t have them, kinda hard to compare don’t you think? And don’t tell me because it’s UAL ALPA disapproved that it isn’t comfortable. The 350 doesn’t meet the FAR requirements for square footage, that doesn’t say anything about comfort levels.
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Just out of curiosity how senior does the 777 FO or CA go in general?
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