Yeah, what's in the FMC and MCP is totally not important. Let's focus more on checking the altimeter setting at least two or three more times from the T/D to landing. Why check things like the correct departure, the cleared altitude, heading, LNAV, VNAV... just say "set" and it's clearly all good.

On the landing gear and flaps, everyone is still confirming it. Yep, DENTK is the problem. Been through the 737 course lately?

Scott

See this statement here is why we got a nasty gram that made world news. The new checklist is fantastic in my opinion we need to cross check all that stuff. How many times have you taken off without LNAV selected? I have done it. How many times have you taken off with a discontinuity in the FMC? I have done it. Lets say 10 more words in 5 more seconds and protect ourselves. Being lazy should not be in a pilots job description yet its the norm that I see, and being on property for only a year and a half I'm disappointed. I have had to read MELs to CAs because they thought they knew what it said and didn't want to look it up. Guess what? they didn't know what it said. I have watched CAs and FOs not do the proper ETOPS checks because "It is pointless busy work since we have ADS-B and CPDLC". Guess what? We got another nasty gram.

Lets stop playing the CAL and UAL hatred games and finger pointing and stand up for ourselves, come together, and take this memo as a battle cry against the desk jockeys in management.

NEW HIRES:

By the end of this year we will be 10% of the total pilots on property WE need to help make the change. WE need to speak out on what we think is right and wrong. WE need to hold all of our crew members to SOP even if they don't like it. Most of the pilots we fly with are fantastic but there is a larger majority then I would like that are lazy, complain and refuse to change and adhere to current SOPs.

New Hires, we don't know nor should we care what the old SOP said all we know is what it says now and how we were trained. So do what you were taught to do and don't accept any variations! We can change this culture so lets get on it.

Oh and wear your ALPA pin. Its an easy place to start.

Oh and what pilot does not look inside at 500 or so feet and check the flaps are set and the gear is down and three green. Even when we both said it on the checklist I looked again. Who cares who says DOWN for the gear check it your self and STOP BEING LAZY!

Not having LNAV selected isn't a safety of flight issue... SOP calls for either HDG SEL or LNAV to be selected at 400' AGL...so what's the big deal?

Your right it isn't a big deal however the new checklist has you check it and I think that is a good thing. Not checking it because it is an extra checklist line is LAZY.

You don't think checking altimeter settings are important? I'll bet the guys that screwed up not setting it and thus got violated might disagree. I have always learned a lot in the 737 school house, found the training outstanding.

Sounds like your fleet has gotten the Delta treatment. They do that same thing, and because we unoriginal we just copy them.

What you brief at the gate IS NOT the same as what is on the before T/O. At the gate you brief the ENTIRE departure, ENG out procedure, RTO/EVAC, planned WT and speeds andspecial situations.

The Checklist verifies that everything you briefed is STILL set and executed. You know because ATC never changes the plan we briefed......

Curious how long this thread continues?? Dolts!

As long as one side enforces their legacy way of doing things versus the right/safest way.