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skypest 03-09-2015 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1839781)
I don't think our UPA should have been based on flight attendant behavior.

Sadly, this appears to be the case.

bottoms up 03-09-2015 09:15 AM

FWIW I tried to vacation trade last year and was denied. I was told that since it wasn't in the contract it wasn't allowed. I was just trying to help someone out with a swap that needed my week off. Don't worry though. He got the days he needed off anyway....something about self help.."cough, cough"

BMEP100 03-09-2015 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Coach67 (Post 1839772)
The person may own it, but that implies he must use it and not sell it to someone else.

Read posts on this forum and other forums about how some pilots would use their seniority to pick up the best trips and then "sell them" to junior pilots. They owned them due to their seniority but then sold them to the highest biddding junior pilot and thus bypassed all those more senior pilots in between.

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I think you are making up this hogwash about selling vacation. Anyway, I guess you are okay selling it back to the company? The contract and ALPA are?

I once traded vacation to get to see my son graduate- yes with a more senior pilot.

So, if you are sincere- outlaw selling vacation- to anyone! And while you are at it, outlaw paying someone to pick up your trip.

I think Aeroflot could use you in management.

BMEP100 03-09-2015 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by bottoms up (Post 1839837)
FWIW I tried to vacation trade last year and was denied. I was told that since it wasn't in the contract it wasn't allowed. I was just trying to help someone out with a swap that needed my week off. Don't worry though. He got the days he needed off anyway....something about self help.."cough, cough"


So anything no prescribed in the contract is proscribed. What a sad way to do business, and a really crummy form of employee relations. However, those in control of the union and management probably like the control....

It wasn't very long ago that if something was not proscribed it was allowed, so long as no laws or regs were violated. What have we come to?

Blockoutblockin 03-09-2015 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 1840115)
So anything no prescribed in the contract is proscribed. What a sad way to do business, and a really crummy form of employee relations. However, those in control of the union and management probably like the control....

It wasn't very long ago that if something was not proscribed it was allowed, so long as no laws or regs were violated. What have we come to?

You seem out of control. Calm down please.

Probe 03-09-2015 08:18 PM

I have never heard of selling vacation or trips, but pretty much nothing would surprise me. The bottom 10% are capable of almost anything.

Unfortunately with a seniority based system, we can all get treated equally for the actions of the lowest common denominator.

BMEP100 03-10-2015 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1840157)
You seem out of control. Calm down please.


Now now, nowhere in the contract does it allow you to make such comments.:eek:

krudawg 03-10-2015 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 1840115)
So anything no prescribed in the contract is proscribed. What a sad way to do business, and a really crummy form of employee relations. However, those in control of the union and management probably like the control....

It wasn't very long ago that if something was not proscribed it was allowed, so long as no laws or regs were violated. What have we come to?

If it's not in the contract; it's negotiated with a side letter. AlPA gives up something or trades something and the company agrees to the negotiations. That is how it usually works. Same thing with the company, if they want something, they give something up and ALPA agrees and signs another side letter. That's just the way most unions do business.

Blockoutblockin 03-10-2015 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 1840430)
Now now, nowhere in the contract does it allow you to make such comments.:eek:

...LOL......

Coach67 03-11-2015 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 1839928)
I think you are making up this hogwash about selling vacation. Anyway, I guess you are okay selling it back to the company? The contract and ALPA are?

I once traded vacation to get to see my son graduate- yes with a more senior pilot.

So, if you are sincere- outlaw selling vacation- to anyone! And while you are at it, outlaw paying someone to pick up your trip.

I think Aeroflot could use you in management.

Wow ... Not making up hogwash. Was told Trip trade sales happened in the EWR LCAL base prior to merger. Was also told that a bunch of pilots went to the EWR CP to get it stopped but that it continued.

As far as the rest of your post ... you are making stuff up that I didn't say.

Wouldn't fit into Aeroflot management ... don't speak russian.

You obviously feel strongly about the issue. Instead of complaining and lambasting everyone that explains the pitfalls of an issue, use the process to try and get it fixed in the next contract.

Udachi !


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