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03-17-2015, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by flightmedic01
How on earth did I get my first choice on my March bid and go to completion mode 3 in April when I put in the exact same bid?!? I'm even more senior this month.
03-17-2015, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LivinTheDream28
Honest question: regardless of senority, why do you not have at least one bid group with every trip in the pool ranked highest to lowest priority? This should be everyone's final bid group IMO. Sorry that happened man.
03-17-2015, 06:31 PM
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Wish I could help you. Not a fan of a competitive bidding system for schedules that awards the best programmer.
Try adding avoid flying with ( your own employee number), and see what you get. I heard that in the first month of PBS anyone doing that got zero trips and guarantee.
Try adding avoid flying with ( your own employee number), and see what you get. I heard that in the first month of PBS anyone doing that got zero trips and guarantee.
03-17-2015, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by flightmedic01
Yeah, Ill do that from now on. What does your final bid group look like? Maybe I'm not doing this bidding right. Thanks.
03-17-2015, 08:23 PM
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Let's say there are 10 things you want to avoid. Start a FINAL bid group by dumping every trip in the base into play with Award Work L--. Don't ever start a bid group prior to the final one with Award Work L--.
Final Bid Group:
Award Work L-- ====> Every trip in play, bid group can't fail above G-line.
Avoid 1
Avoid 2
Avoid 3 -----> Avoids 1-3 are locked in the lowest (L--) bucket (stuff you hate the most).
Award Work L-
Avoid 4
Avoid 5
Avoid 6 ----> Avoids 4-6 are locked the 2nd lowest (L-) bucket
Award Work L
Avoid 7
Avoid 8
Avoid 9
Avoid 10 -----> Avoids 7-10 are locked in the "L" bucket
Award Work (N) ----> Best trips that respect all Avoids are here.
When PBS runs, it starts by looking at your N bucket which has what for you is the best flying since all your Avoids are respected there. Let's say PBS finds one trip in the N bucket that would work. PBS needs more trips of course so it goes next to the L bucket where it finds one more trip. The trip in the L bucket would not respect Avoids 7-10, but it would respect Avoids 1-6. Now PBS goes to your L- bucket. Let's suppose it finds two more trips in the L- bucket that would work. With 4 trips now, PBS has enough trips to build a legal line that hits the required credit time so it builds a line. Since PBS never had to dip into the L-- bucket, Avoids 1-3 would be respected in your line construction in this case. By doing it this way, you submit a FINAL bid group that will not fail but still allows you to negotiate with the system. If you are super junior and there are just a few trips left, the system may very well find nothing for you in N, L, and L-. In that case, the entire thing will be built from L--. You can't fix being that junior, but all you can do is try.
Final Bid Group:
Award Work L-- ====> Every trip in play, bid group can't fail above G-line.
Avoid 1
Avoid 2
Avoid 3 -----> Avoids 1-3 are locked in the lowest (L--) bucket (stuff you hate the most).
Award Work L-
Avoid 4
Avoid 5
Avoid 6 ----> Avoids 4-6 are locked the 2nd lowest (L-) bucket
Award Work L
Avoid 7
Avoid 8
Avoid 9
Avoid 10 -----> Avoids 7-10 are locked in the "L" bucket
Award Work (N) ----> Best trips that respect all Avoids are here.
When PBS runs, it starts by looking at your N bucket which has what for you is the best flying since all your Avoids are respected there. Let's say PBS finds one trip in the N bucket that would work. PBS needs more trips of course so it goes next to the L bucket where it finds one more trip. The trip in the L bucket would not respect Avoids 7-10, but it would respect Avoids 1-6. Now PBS goes to your L- bucket. Let's suppose it finds two more trips in the L- bucket that would work. With 4 trips now, PBS has enough trips to build a legal line that hits the required credit time so it builds a line. Since PBS never had to dip into the L-- bucket, Avoids 1-3 would be respected in your line construction in this case. By doing it this way, you submit a FINAL bid group that will not fail but still allows you to negotiate with the system. If you are super junior and there are just a few trips left, the system may very well find nothing for you in N, L, and L-. In that case, the entire thing will be built from L--. You can't fix being that junior, but all you can do is try.
03-18-2015, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Let's say there are 10 things you want to avoid. Start a FINAL bid group by dumping every trip in the base into play with Award Work L--. Don't ever start a bid group prior to the final one with Award Work L--.
Final Bid Group:
Award Work L-- ====> Every trip in play, bid group can't fail above G-line.
Avoid 1
Avoid 2
Avoid 3 -----> Avoids 1-3 are locked in the lowest (L--) bucket (stuff you hate the most).
Award Work L-
Avoid 4
Avoid 5
Avoid 6 ----> Avoids 4-6 are locked the 2nd lowest (L-) bucket
Award Work L
Avoid 7
Avoid 8
Avoid 9
Avoid 10 -----> Avoids 7-10 are locked in the "L" bucket
Award Work (N) ----> Best trips that respect all Avoids are here.
When PBS runs, it starts by looking at your N bucket which has what for you is the best flying since all your Avoids are respected there. Let's say PBS finds one trip in the N bucket that would work. PBS needs more trips of course so it goes next to the L bucket where it finds one more trip. The trip in the L bucket would not respect Avoids 7-10, but it would respect Avoids 1-6. Now PBS goes to your L- bucket. Let's suppose it finds two more trips in the L- bucket that would work. With 4 trips now, PBS has enough trips to build a legal line that hits the required credit time so it builds a line. Since PBS never had to dip into the L-- bucket, Avoids 1-3 would be respected in your line construction in this case. By doing it this way, you submit a FINAL bid group that will not fail but still allows you to negotiate with the system. If you are super junior and there are just a few trips left, the system may very well find nothing for you in N, L, and L-. In that case, the entire thing will be built from L--. You can't fix being that junior, but all you can do is try.
Final Bid Group:
Award Work L-- ====> Every trip in play, bid group can't fail above G-line.
Avoid 1
Avoid 2
Avoid 3 -----> Avoids 1-3 are locked in the lowest (L--) bucket (stuff you hate the most).
Award Work L-
Avoid 4
Avoid 5
Avoid 6 ----> Avoids 4-6 are locked the 2nd lowest (L-) bucket
Award Work L
Avoid 7
Avoid 8
Avoid 9
Avoid 10 -----> Avoids 7-10 are locked in the "L" bucket
Award Work (N) ----> Best trips that respect all Avoids are here.
When PBS runs, it starts by looking at your N bucket which has what for you is the best flying since all your Avoids are respected there. Let's say PBS finds one trip in the N bucket that would work. PBS needs more trips of course so it goes next to the L bucket where it finds one more trip. The trip in the L bucket would not respect Avoids 7-10, but it would respect Avoids 1-6. Now PBS goes to your L- bucket. Let's suppose it finds two more trips in the L- bucket that would work. With 4 trips now, PBS has enough trips to build a legal line that hits the required credit time so it builds a line. Since PBS never had to dip into the L-- bucket, Avoids 1-3 would be respected in your line construction in this case. By doing it this way, you submit a FINAL bid group that will not fail but still allows you to negotiate with the system. If you are super junior and there are just a few trips left, the system may very well find nothing for you in N, L, and L-. In that case, the entire thing will be built from L--. You can't fix being that junior, but all you can do is try.
Could they make this any more user unfriendly?
03-18-2015, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Let's say there are 10 things you want to avoid. Start a FINAL bid group by dumping every trip in the base into play with Award Work L--. Don't ever start a bid group prior to the final one with Award Work L--.
Final Bid Group:
Award Work L-- ====> Every trip in play, bid group can't fail above G-line.
Avoid 1
Avoid 2
Avoid 3 -----> Avoids 1-3 are locked in the lowest (L--) bucket (stuff you hate the most).
Award Work L-
Avoid 4
Avoid 5
Avoid 6 ----> Avoids 4-6 are locked the 2nd lowest (L-) bucket
Award Work L
Avoid 7
Avoid 8
Avoid 9
Avoid 10 -----> Avoids 7-10 are locked in the "L" bucket
Award Work (N) ----> Best trips that respect all Avoids are here.
When PBS runs, it starts by looking at your N bucket which has what for you is the best flying since all your Avoids are respected there. Let's say PBS finds one trip in the N bucket that would work. PBS needs more trips of course so it goes next to the L bucket where it finds one more trip. The trip in the L bucket would not respect Avoids 7-10, but it would respect Avoids 1-6. Now PBS goes to your L- bucket. Let's suppose it finds two more trips in the L- bucket that would work. With 4 trips now, PBS has enough trips to build a legal line that hits the required credit time so it builds a line. Since PBS never had to dip into the L-- bucket, Avoids 1-3 would be respected in your line construction in this case. By doing it this way, you submit a FINAL bid group that will not fail but still allows you to negotiate with the system. If you are super junior and there are just a few trips left, the system may very well find nothing for you in N, L, and L-. In that case, the entire thing will be built from L--. You can't fix being that junior, but all you can do is try.
Final Bid Group:
Award Work L-- ====> Every trip in play, bid group can't fail above G-line.
Avoid 1
Avoid 2
Avoid 3 -----> Avoids 1-3 are locked in the lowest (L--) bucket (stuff you hate the most).
Award Work L-
Avoid 4
Avoid 5
Avoid 6 ----> Avoids 4-6 are locked the 2nd lowest (L-) bucket
Award Work L
Avoid 7
Avoid 8
Avoid 9
Avoid 10 -----> Avoids 7-10 are locked in the "L" bucket
Award Work (N) ----> Best trips that respect all Avoids are here.
When PBS runs, it starts by looking at your N bucket which has what for you is the best flying since all your Avoids are respected there. Let's say PBS finds one trip in the N bucket that would work. PBS needs more trips of course so it goes next to the L bucket where it finds one more trip. The trip in the L bucket would not respect Avoids 7-10, but it would respect Avoids 1-6. Now PBS goes to your L- bucket. Let's suppose it finds two more trips in the L- bucket that would work. With 4 trips now, PBS has enough trips to build a legal line that hits the required credit time so it builds a line. Since PBS never had to dip into the L-- bucket, Avoids 1-3 would be respected in your line construction in this case. By doing it this way, you submit a FINAL bid group that will not fail but still allows you to negotiate with the system. If you are super junior and there are just a few trips left, the system may very well find nothing for you in N, L, and L-. In that case, the entire thing will be built from L--. You can't fix being that junior, but all you can do is try.
Way too cerebral for me too. Easier to just bid reserve, and let God and the crew desk sort it all out.
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