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baseball 08-05-2015 08:29 AM

76T??
 
Does anyone understand what is going on with regards to the very strange communications coming from Howard (RE 76T)?

We are closing the categeory, but somehow we are letting people into the base??? How is this legal? Are the ALPA contract enforcement people watching this?

jsled 08-05-2015 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 1943816)
Does anyone understand what is going on with regards to the very strange communications coming from Howard (RE 76T)?

We are closing the categeory, but somehow we are letting people into the base??? How is this legal? Are the ALPA contract enforcement people watching this?

ALPA called BS on the wholesale "phasing out Categories" and so the company has updated it's announcement. Only LAX and IAH 76T are closed. All other 76T bases are still open for bumpty bumping.


From the SSC July report:

Displacements are not allowed into phasing out Category(s) per UPA section 8-E-6-c with the updated announcement that would only be LAX and IAH 76T.
Also this will require pilots that had been displaced in the previous displacement that had preferenced and could have held either SFO, ORD, EWR or DCA 76T

baseball 08-05-2015 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1943845)
ALPA called BS on the wholesale "phasing out Categories" and so the company has updated it's announcement. Only LAX and IAH 76T are closed. All other 76T bases are still open for bumpty bumping.


From the SSC July report:

Displacements are not allowed into phasing out Category(s) per UPA section 8-E-6-c with the updated announcement that would only be LAX and IAH 76T.
Also this will require pilots that had been displaced in the previous displacement that had preferenced and could have held either SFO, ORD, EWR or DCA 76T

Thanks for the explanation. I do see people "bumping" into IAH 76T. If I am wrong, I will gladly eat crow. but, I do believe I have a problem with this.

I phoned IAH Chief Pilot and my ACP. Both are out. Spoke to the replacement CP who is filling in. He referenced some sort of agreement between company and ALPA. I don't know what he's talking about. But, I don't think anyone can be "bumping" or displacing into a closed BES, like IAH 76T. I think I may need to talk to the grievance chairman.

jsled 08-05-2015 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 1943908)
Thanks for the explanation. I do see people "bumping" into IAH 76T. If I am wrong, I will gladly eat crow. but, I do believe I have a problem with this.

I phoned IAH Chief Pilot and my ACP. Both are out. Spoke to the replacement CP who is filling in. He referenced some sort of agreement between company and ALPA. I don't know what he's talking about. But, I don't think anyone can be "bumping" or displacing into a closed BES, like IAH 76T. I think I may need to talk to the grievance chairman.

I don't see any. The Aug 4th snapshot for the current displacement that closes today shows no IAH 76T awards. The latest Bat bid shows 12 active pilots per seat Bating from IAH 76T to IAH 756. Could be some awards from past vacancies that are just now being activated.

UALinIAH 08-05-2015 01:56 PM

Displacement final is now on Skynet and I don't see any IAH 76T at first glance. But DEN Guppy is now WAY overstaffed with a ton of volunteers off the 320.

Airhoss 08-06-2015 06:31 AM

DEN will suffer one or two more rounds of culling. Shortly thereafter there will be a huge vacancy bid. Ain't that how it goes with these clowns?;)

UALinIAH 08-06-2015 06:39 AM

I'm wondering how they're going to get all these guys through training when combined with the bid Vacancy bid that just closed ahead of the displacement. I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of people going somewhere else thanks to 8-F-9 like what we saw a while back when they fell behind on the 737 training.

Skyflyin 08-06-2015 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 1943816)
Does anyone understand what is going on with regards to the very strange communications coming from Howard (RE 76T)?

We are closing the category, but somehow we are letting people into the base??? How is this legal? Are the ALPA contract enforcement people watching this?

Where did you see this message? I can't find it.

baseball 08-13-2015 01:05 AM

it appears to have been taken down. ALPA maintains a copy of everything the company publishes though. Two different messages from howard on the entire 76T thing. One is right and one is wrong. Company inconsistent on the whole thing.

I feel like the entire staffing process is being done by someone who has a degree in Botany or horticulture. Are they moving pilots around like potted plants trying to take advantage of growing seasons or average annual rainfall totals? How can we keep doing this to our pilots and their famalies?

How many did we displace this year in total?
What about last year in total?
How many nest year projected to be displaced?


Really, this is the best we can do?

AllenAllert 08-13-2015 06:39 AM

JP and Jeff decided there would not be a flush bid. This plus the fact they change fleet/fleet locations on a daily bases is the result. I'd bet they planned on the pilots being a little more workable with their ideas and shortcomings. They really don't understand the pilot composition of the new United and our willingness to enforce our contract.

What the pilots can't do is assume the movement is part of growth of the merged airlines. If anything it has caused a lot of angst and suffering on the part of many. It's causing loss of pay, QOL, distress on the families. Sad thing upper management and especially Jeff could care less.


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