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Airway 08-12-2015 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by tikicarver (Post 1947802)
Some of you may not know that back in the 1999-2001 hiring there was no sim. They had a technical portion during the panel interview instead.
United was well know for the "mental math" problems they gave in the interview.

A buddy just did contract sim training in the 737 sim they use for interviews a few weeks ago. United told his instructors the two 737 sims will be gone in two months.

Out flies the sim, in flies the technical interview!

Shrek 08-12-2015 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by tikicarver (Post 1947802)
Some of you may not know that back in the 1999-2001 hiring there was no sim. They had a technical portion during the panel interview instead.
United was well know for the "mental math" problems they gave in the interview.

A buddy just did contract sim training in the 737 sim they use for interviews a few weeks ago. United told his instructors the two 737 sims will be gone in two months.

2007-2008 timeframe as well at UAL.

freezingflyboy 08-12-2015 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1947637)
^+1
While every pilot who steps in to the sim knows how to fly.. so did every pilot/crew that has ever been involved in an accident or incident.
(IMO) What the sim interview brings is- can this individual learn the callouts and flow within a short time period, can they handle 2 or 3 things at once, how do they handle a strange stressful environment while under the eyes of someone.. and lastly, there's the CRM aspect.

Only those in the hiring department know the answer.. but, wonder how many are not getting through the sim portion?
Obviously the Hogan Test seems to be taking out (good?!) applicants. How many get shot down during the interview? and lastly.. the sim.

I would rather see less weight on the Hogan, more on personal recs.. and keep the panel and sim. But that's just me.
Always
Motch

PS> Every NH I've flown with has had a great attitude and been a quick/good learner. From the ASA FO (ex intern) to the retired USMC Col (ex Hornets). But there are also some pilots I flew with back in the regional & military days that I know would have a hard time getting through all 3 phases of our interview process. Lets keep it at 3 phases.. just weighed differently~

I've noticed this as well. I can think of two guys off hand who were some the most obnoxious people I've ever shared a cockpit who made it through the Hogan (one got hired, one busted yhe interview). I can also think of several others who were experienced, respected, knowledgeable, skilled aviators. Check airmen. Union volunteers. Capital "C" Captains. Weeded out by the Hogan. Go figure.

jetlink 08-12-2015 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1947692)
Hahaha dude chill out its all good. Nobody gives a sheet anyway so frack off tooool

Have you got your displacement yet?;)

XHooker 08-12-2015 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by ron kent (Post 1947586)
The sim is BS. Pay $1500 to get the gouge is BS. Hiring should be based on resume and recommendations. Anybody who comes from a regional has been trained in CRM. Anyone who comes from the military with a background in crew aircraft is trained in CRM. Anyone who comes from the military with a fighter background can be trained to to do anything.

And that, in a nutshell, is the way it should be! Ron Kent for VP in charge of pilot recruitment.

voodiloquist 08-12-2015 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by ron kent (Post 1947586)
The sim is BS. Pay $1500 to get the gouge is BS. Hiring should be based on resume and recommendations. Anybody who comes from a regional has been trained in CRM. Anyone who comes from the military with a background in crew aircraft is trained in CRM. Anyone who comes from the military with a fighter background can be trained to to do anything.

Damn ****in right. Is this clear enough for you gen-x/millenial ****tards? Drop 75 lbs, tuck in your shirt, remove the earbuds and try again. For ****s sake, all we do is fly a SID, level off, descend, STAR, followed by a visual or ILS. If the aforementioned events are the acme of your aeronautical experience then you are in way over your inflated head.

Blockoutblockin 08-12-2015 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by jetlink (Post 1947954)
Have you got your displacement yet?;)

Hahaha you r a tool!

boxer6 08-12-2015 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by tikicarver (Post 1947802)
Some of you may not know that back in the 1999-2001 hiring there was no sim.

This is factually incorrect. In the summer of 1999 they were using a DC10 motion off sim. You flew the same profile they used for years.

baseball 08-13-2015 12:47 AM

The sim is needed. right now we do have high time people coming in. flew with a new hire that had about 2000 TT. I think we need it for that reason.

also, in about 5 years from now, what will the average new hire applicant have in his or her logbook?

Keep the sim.

Regularguy 08-13-2015 08:18 PM

"Anyone who comes from the military with a fighter background can be trained to to do anything"

So it's true, fighter pilots need more training. ;)

All this talk about who's the most qualified makes me nauseous. Here's what counts, if you got hired you met the criteria of the day.


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