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Groundhog 09-12-2015 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by coorsFlight (Post 1969777)
Anybody know if the contract stipulates penalties for taking too long to move someone after an award?

Got a lateral on the last bid but manpower still hasn't moved me. Buddy of mine said he thought you're treated as 24/7 TDY a while after your effective date, but I can't find anything in the contract.


Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 1969997)
PDR........

Nah. You get better actionable intel through an anonymous aviation board.
;)

Hog

coorsFlight 09-13-2015 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 1970021)
Nah. You get better actionable intel through an anonymous aviation board.
;)

Hog

Just thought it might benefit someone else lurking if someone knew the answer off hand. [emoji6]

Seven6SevenDCA 09-13-2015 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by AFPirate (Post 1969757)
Any SFO commuters care to weigh in on current ease of commute? I'm a DC bus guy looking to move to SFO for better seniority. I commute out of DFW. Thanks!

I would imagine there are fewer commuters DFW-SFO, compared to IAD/DCA. Probably do OK on American. Suggest you make your non-Rev listing on myidtravel.com/myidlisting, if on American or Virgin. Easy walk from our terminal to the American and Virgin gates (adjacent to each other). As you probably are well aware, a few low clouds slows things down considerably at SFO.

Terrain Inop 09-13-2015 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Seven6SevenDCA (Post 1970283)
I would imagine there are fewer commuters DFW-SFO, compared to IAD/DCA. Probably do OK on American. Suggest you make your non-Rev listing on myidtravel.com/myidlisting, if on American or Virgin. Easy walk from our terminal to the American and Virgin gates (adjacent to each other). As you probably are well aware, a few low clouds slows things down considerably at SFO.

I think VX is flying SFO-LUV now, not DFW.

jetlink 09-13-2015 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by coorsFlight (Post 1969777)
Anybody know if the contract stipulates penalties for taking too long to move someone after an award?

Got a lateral on the last bid but manpower still hasn't moved me. Buddy of mine said he thought you're treated as 24/7 TDY a while after your effective date, but I can't find anything in the contract.

You may want to reference the following. Hope this helps a bid.

8-F-6 Process of Activation
8-F-6-a Unless otherwise provided for in Section 8-F, a Pilot shall remain in his current
assignment until his activation date in his awarded Category.
8-F-6-b If a Pilot-out as defined in Section 8-E-7-b, the Pilot must, on a Bid Period basis, choose to be available for either TDY or Section 20-H-6 assignments until he begins training for his new assignment but in no case for more than two (2) Bid Periods, unless extended by the Pilot as set forth in Section 8-F-6-b-(3).
8-F-6-b-(1) TDY assignments are only available in Categories offered by the Company. At least one (1) Category must be offered for TDY if that option is elected by the Pilot.
8-F-6-b-(2) Pilots on a TDY assignment shall have all expenses and allowances, as provided in Section 4-E-1, discontinued during periods of unavailability. For purposes of
8-F-6-b-(3) If the Pilot has not begun training by the end of two (2) Bid Periods as set forth in Section 8-F-6-b, he shall be entitled to be released from work obligations and paid reserve guarantee until he starts training. Alternatively, he may choose to extend his TDY or Section 20-H-6 availability for up to two (2) additional Bid Periods. If the Pilot, however, causes a disruption in his training/advancement plan, as defined in Section 8-F-8-b, the Company may extend the TDY or Section 20-H-6 availability period for up to two (2) Bid Periods without his concurrence.

jetlink 09-13-2015 09:25 PM

... a bit, auto correct :-) and too many ... at the bar...

MasterOfPuppets 09-14-2015 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by coorsFlight (Post 1970164)
Just thought it might benefit someone else lurking if someone knew the answer off hand. [emoji6]

You may not like this answer but LOOK FOR IT. Its in the contract I promise you.

The only way to learn the contract is to read it. While you are looking it up read other sections and learn.

There is more to our contract than compensation and scheduling. Every time I go looking for something I learn something else and thats important.

jsled 09-14-2015 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by jetlink (Post 1970661)
You may want to reference the following. Hope this helps a bid.

8-F-6 Process of Activation
8-F-6-a Unless otherwise provided for in Section 8-F, a Pilot shall remain in his current
assignment until his activation date in his awarded Category.
8-F-6-b If a Pilot-out as defined in Section 8-E-7-b, the Pilot must, on a Bid Period basis, choose to be available for either TDY or Section 20-H-6 assignments until he begins training for his new assignment but in no case for more than two (2) Bid Periods, unless extended by the Pilot as set forth in Section 8-F-6-b-(3).
8-F-6-b-(1) TDY assignments are only available in Categories offered by the Company. At least one (1) Category must be offered for TDY if that option is elected by the Pilot.
8-F-6-b-(2) Pilots on a TDY assignment shall have all expenses and allowances, as provided in Section 4-E-1, discontinued during periods of unavailability. For purposes of
8-F-6-b-(3) If the Pilot has not begun training by the end of two (2) Bid Periods as set forth in Section 8-F-6-b, he shall be entitled to be released from work obligations and paid reserve guarantee until he starts training. Alternatively, he may choose to extend his TDY or Section 20-H-6 availability for up to two (2) additional Bid Periods. If the Pilot, however, causes a disruption in his training/advancement plan, as defined in Section 8-F-8-b, the Company may extend the TDY or Section 20-H-6 availability period for up to two (2) Bid Periods without his concurrence.

8-F-6-b thru (1), (2), and (3) are specifically for displacements where your
Category has been completely phased out. Not for laterals. Just a heads up.

FlyHIGHgoFAST 09-14-2015 08:51 AM

Holy snapshot........737 IAH is showing new hire seniority (subject to change I know) and 320 IAH is now showing senior-ish (for the bus).....Funny how things change so drastically in a few months

MasterOfPuppets 09-14-2015 08:55 AM

Also first snap shot is up.

Looks like the companies great idea of being able to spread new hires around the system instead of shoving them all into EWR and SFO has backfired. Only a hand full of open spots in IAH(5), LAX(28) and DCA (3), with a hundred open slots each in SFO and EWR.

I find it amusing....Planning always thinks they know how this pilot group is going to bid and they always fail.

Not a lot of training with this bid so far so we may see another vacancy quickly after this one closes.

PS: DEN bids didn't even get all the way through the pre merger seniority list......


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