Agreed.
Snarky crap from both sides is just snarky crap. I am tired of the bad attitudes and negative comments. Its just not constructive. Frankly its pathetic. Lets move on and make it better. Identify the problem, look for solutions and try to avoid being the problem. Be professional. Wear the right wings (goes for both sides). We are now one big labor group. Like it or not we are in this for the long haul. Lets make it a good one.

My point is I do not believe we would be any better shape had the mgt. Come from the Blue team. Why is it ok to speak negatively about anything LCAL but nothing can be said to counter that if it speaks bad of LUAL.

Not speaking bad of anyone here...unless you were in MGT. at the time.

Agreed. How can we attract such a group? Throwing boat loads of money at someone has not worked. We had a pretty good group that left when ol'Jeff and the merger came to pass. I am hopeful Oscar does not belong in a trash can.

It's possible a bit of reality come home to roost when he called CAL a regional airline with poor management. He put the blame squarely where it belongs on an inept management team using systems and methods that should have been abandoned forthe more capable LUAL stuff.

I've said it before, the only reason United is doing ok is that DL, AA and SW have not launched a major competition plan to increase capacity on competing routes.

sleeves, your biggest problem is believing the stuff you dream up instead of accepting the facts. :D

Not so unifying, classy or forward looking either amigo.

Opening letters in April 2016, right????

Not intended to be classy or unifying. Just summarizing the initial post to the thread for the gentleman. He seems to lose focus after about the first paragraph.

BTW, we lost the opportunity for unity on day one, but we can still put a good face on it.

The reality is that LCAL was successful with good MGT. When they looked at merging with you our good MGT said NO we would rather quit. You have not had decent MGT for decades. Why?? Because smart MGT wants nothing to do with this toxic environment. We are now tied to the titanic. That is reality. Those are the facts.

Are we really going down this road again?

Remember Ratt? 'Round and 'Round.....

Sleeves I clearly remember a long layover in SFO in early April of 2010. I was out to dinner with two other crews, and we had all known each other for a long time. The topic of conversation that night was the news that had broken earlier in the day. The news was that UAL was in deep merger negotiations with USAirways. So much for any chance of a CAL merger being revived we figured. Obviously, Glen was serious about moving on. Given all of the previous work that had been done on a USair deal, we figured this was going to happen fast. Remember, this is already pushing two years since DAL/NWA.

That weekend, Glen was tending to his horses on his Santa Fe ranch when Jeff called. He begged him not to marry the "ugly girl." Tilton reversed course, and the rest was history.

Evidently, your management team was not comfortable with CAL and AAL being the last two legacy carriers standing alone. With major overlaps in NY, Latin / South America, and two large hubs close together in Texas, that seems understandable.

If you would have rather gone down that road, then just say so. I'm sure you would have been thrilled with APA.