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SpecialTracking 03-06-2016 12:33 AM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2082978)
It must really sting getting slapped to the mat. At $500/hour/attorney, you have enough money to send a short letter to your mommy whining about those mean old arbitrators. If ALPA was smart, they'd just kick all these guys out of the association.

Come back and play anytime :)

Haha. You certainly have misplaced me in the wrong group on the playground. As long as this lawsuit hangs around, we can not truly move forward as one.

boxer6 03-06-2016 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2083047)
It was a buyout disguised as a merger. LCAL stock holders were paid with LUAL stock.

I have no dog in the fight being post merger, but being a numbers nerd I've read the SEC filings to include the 10K's from both sides. LCALS debt trajectory was headed for the stratosphere and LUAL was sitting on billions in cash, and there was almost zero route overlap. From an operational/business standpoint they were made for each other and neither would have survived alone.

You now work for one of the largest airlines in the world, that just made $4b+ last year. Still want your LCAL W-2, profit sharing, contract, career earnings potential, etc?

You sir, are spot on. You have clearly pointed their flawed premise. This is why it makes their effort SO needless and more importantly, poisonous.
Sigh.

To your point of neither would have survived alone, I'm not so sure. I believe one would haved survived. While both would be to trying to outrun the BK Bear, all you have to be is a little faster than the other guy. You have to ask the question, who the Bear was going to catch first?

intrepidcv11 03-06-2016 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 2082958)
Wadr, I'll give you 101,262 reasons why this isn't over.

I don't expect it to ever be over for guys like you and dolts lead by Andy Carr. The rest of us are generally in a far better place.

AllenAllert 03-06-2016 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 (Post 2083119)
I don't expect it to ever be over for guys like you and dolts lead by Andy Carr. The rest of us are generally in a far better place.

Would you care to explain/define that better place and maybe as a side note tell us what your side brought to the table.

jdt30 03-06-2016 07:07 AM

The pilots donating to this fund need to get over it, and this thread is idiotic. This has been beaten to death for way to long. If you can't see the strengths that both airlines brought to this merger you are self absorbed.

Lerxst 03-06-2016 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 2083161)
Would you care to explain/define that better place and maybe as a side note tell us what your side brought to the table.

A reason for you to get to change your screenname fortnightly in toxic huffs of righteous indignation?

Also Cleveland. You're welcome.

AllenAllert 03-06-2016 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 2083177)
A reason for you to get to change your screenname fortnightly in toxic huffs of righteous indignation?

Also Cleveland. You're welcome.

I didn't start the thread but I've never been afraid to call the clowns out for what they are. So Lexie continue to sing kumbaya but the facts speak for themselves. Jay Pierce created this group of victims alone with the devide between the New United pilots.

You only have to look at where CALALPA and it's predecessor union to see where they were and how this victim group was created. Prater and Pierce played the CAL pilots to their personal advantage with Fred, Jeff and the controlling undesirables. UALALPA stopped that but you can't fix the victim class left behind - they'll just have to spend the rest of their careers being victims.

Lerxst 03-06-2016 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 2083189)
I didn't start the thread but I've never been afraid to call the clowns out for what they are. So Lexie continue to sing kumbaya but the facts speak for themselves. Jay Pierce created this group of victims alone with the devide between the New United pilots.

You only have to look at where CALALPA and it's predecessor union to see where they were and how this victim group was created. Prater and Pierce played the CAL pilots to their personal advantage with Fred, Jeff and the controlling undesirables. UALALPA stopped that but you can't fix the victim class left behind - they'll just have to spend the rest of their careers being victims.

I was speaking only to the highlighted part of your post, a passive-aggressive question which you have repeatedly asked under your many guises.

AllenAllert 03-06-2016 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 2083190)
I was speaking only to the highlighted part of your post, a passive-aggressive question which you have repeatedly asked under your many guises.

It would have been a lot easier to answer that highlighted question, but instead, you go into a personal attack mode. My reply was just to explained why this little group was formed and continues to collect donations from line pilots.

As far as the merger - it was never about building a bigger, better airline. It was about extracting as much cash from old United for the shareholders as possible. The gambit continues with OM taking over to act as the savior of what JS created. You have to ask why they gave the pilots a little pay raise and at the same time continue fighting the other employee groups tooth and nail. The unfortunate thing is the pilots fell for it and continue to sing the praises of a man who's done nothing of substance for the company. He just happen to arrive at a time when fuel prices were moving to bottom dollar - Lucky at best.

SpecialTracking 03-06-2016 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 (Post 2083119)
I don't expect it to ever be over for guys like you and dolts lead by Andy Carr. The rest of us are generally in a far better place.

Wrong. It's definitely over for me and I'm living in the sweet spot. I was shocked that they had raised $100k+ and actually feel sorry for them. Pierce and Brucia sold those guys the literal gift that keeps on giving.


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