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Triumph 04-08-2016 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Aussiedoodle (Post 2105836)
I thought between indoc and whenever aircraft training begins you were just on guarantee and not in "the training curriculum". I may be mistaken.



Nope. If you get a month break between Indoc and airplane training, that's 90hrs you will be paid to sit at home in your superman underwear. It's a great deal. So great, that once you finish IOE, you'll notice a pay cut from that sweet 90hr a month pay you were previously getting. Can't stay on the training tit forever though.....or can you???[emoji848]

Chuck D 04-08-2016 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 2105892)
Nope. If you get a month break between Indoc and airplane training, that's 90hrs you will be paid to sit at home in your superman underwear. It's a great deal. So great, that once you finish IOE, you'll notice a pay cut from that sweet 90hr a month pay you were previously getting. Can't stay on the training tit forever though.....or can you???[emoji848]

IIRC if you're sitting around for a long stretch unused between training segments, I think you go to 73 hours vice 90. Still better than a sharp stick in the eye.

pilotgolfer 04-08-2016 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 2105959)
IIRC if you're sitting around for a long stretch unused between training segments, I think you go to 73 hours vice 90. Still better than a sharp stick in the eye.

That is not correct. You get 3 her per day until OE begins...then you have to get into LOA 34 for the specifics of how the company will try to rip you off. If they need you to wait a month or two for training...that is on them. Collect your 90 or 93 hours per month.

They count on new hires not to push back on contractual issues. Don't let them steal from your pocket.

Chuck D 04-08-2016 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2105984)
That is not correct. You get 3 her per day until OE begins...then you have to get into LOA 34 for the specifics of how the company will try to rip you off. If they need you to wait a month or two for training...that is on them. Collect your 90 or 93 hours per month.

They count on new hires not to push back on contractual issues. Don't let them steal from your pocket.

Interesting... I may have to look at some old pay stubs...

MasterOfPuppets 04-08-2016 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 2106077)
Interesting... I may have to look at some old pay stubs...

It's not beneath the company to shaft the new hires that don't know better. That's the reason we have the half wing. The free beer is just a nice side affect :D.

The half wing signifies that you are new and learning the ropes. If you ask a question with a half wing on you will get lots of help, and your CAs are supposed to look out for you to make sure no one is taking advantage of you especially the crew desk!

Wear the half wing and ask questions! If you are being screwed most everyone can tell you where to go and who to talk to get it fixed.

Hilltopper89 04-09-2016 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 2105892)
Nope. If you get a month break between Indoc and airplane training, that's 90hrs you will be paid to sit at home in your superman underwear. It's a great deal. So great, that once you finish IOE, you'll notice a pay cut from that sweet 90hr a month pay you were previously getting. Can't stay on the training tit forever though.....or can you???[emoji848]

This. And the real hit is in the per diem. You'll go from 30 days/month to maybe 15 in a good reserve month. Maybe less...far less based on BES. So don't let the spouse get used to 90 hrs and 30 days per diem. More like 73 hrs and 12 days per diem on average. Don't let the spouse get used to it. Basic math says that's $8,800/month before and $6400 after.

Dave Fitzgerald 04-09-2016 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman (Post 2105059)
Thanks for the replies gents, I appreciate the details! Still have to do my interview later in the month but can't help but to look ahead a bit since I'm excited by the prospects.

The callout for being on RSV is 2.5 hours for EWR, right? Same for LGA? Just checkin...I'm looking to live in-domicile.

Good luck!

Yes, and no. Co-Domiciles, the call out time for reserve is the same for co-terminals, no difference. Short call is 2.5 hrs to show, or 3.5 to push. Long call is 12 hrs notice. If you drive, there are allowances for unplanned traffic problems. Prudent commuter policy in the FOM for those who commute.

EWR base is also responsible for LGA, & JFK, but we don't fly out of JFK any more. No customer interest there...

ehiggins 04-09-2016 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 2106364)
This. And the real hit is in the per diem. You'll go from 30 days/month to maybe 15 in a good reserve month. Maybe less...far less based on BES. So don't let the spouse get used to 90 hrs and 30 days per diem. More like 73 hrs and 12 days per diem on average. Don't let the spouse get used to it. Basic math says that's $8,800/month before and $6400 after.

My take home is 37-4200/month. It was 4200 for the big check, so it's a pretty good hit leaving tk.

Hilltopper89 04-09-2016 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by ehiggins (Post 2106616)
My take home is 37-4200/month. It was 4200 for the big check, so it's a pretty good hit leaving tk.

Is your training pay accurate or a mistype? Either way it's a significant hit.

Freewilly 04-09-2016 08:14 PM

Typo error.


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