CLazarus

Bombardier Near Deal to Sell Up to 125 Jetliners to Delta - WSJ

If this deal goes down, my guess is that UAL will ultimately order the E-2 for a NSNB. My thinking is that DAL and Air Canada will have all the delivery slots for several years to come. DAL already owns a refinery, and they will practically own Bombardier now too. I suppose we could buy even more 700NGs as a result if any more delivery slots are available before the line fully transitions to the MAX. Discussion?

JetPilotMike

While love the 700's and their payscale, plus the fact that it didn't relax scope, I can't help but wonder if we missed a chance to get the CSeries and it's more advanced technologies for the future.

Flytolive

Is Delta pilot training backed up with all the different fleets?

Aquaticus

Any new airplane is going to have teething problems. Bombardier, especially, doesn't have a strong track record of working out the kinks beforehand. The q400 had a lot of little gremlins for years at colgan, Jetblue's e190 was a cluster for 2-3 yrs, and even look at the A320neo at qatar with problems with the pratt and whitney engines. This is an entirely new plane for them with untested engines. I am sure there will be a lot of free maintenance being given to the launch customer but they are inevitably going to cancel/delay flights until they figure this thing out sometime in 2019.

You guys dodged a bullet by going with the 73. Let someone else figure out how to make it reliable and then buy it. Dave Barger from jetblue said it was a mistake being the launch customer for the e190 but now it has a higher dispatch reliability than the airbus.

azdryheat

I am more than happy to have the company order 737's. The fact that it does not change our scope is a good thing. Let them fly less RJ's and we can do all our own flying.
I can't see any benefit to us if the company orders CSeries vs. 737/A320/A319's.

CLazarus

Yeah, can't say I'd argue with the CO's logic in buying the 700s quickly at a super bargain price. I think doing so kinda forced DAL's hand as they need new jets sooner than we do, and I don't think there were any more NG slots available. Plus I think the wait time for MAX's, NEO's, (massive backlog) and even E-2s (flight test/cert) was such that they couldn't wait that long. DAL mgmt may well be savvier than ours, but in this case I think we may have beat them to the punch.

757Driver

The only thing we "missed" was the absolutely ****ty pay rates that we previously negotiated for the C Series Jet. Thank god we ordered the higher paying 737 instead. Will be interesting to see where Delta's pay for it falls but I'm betting it won't be anywhere near our 737-700 rate. Hope I'm wrong though.

dvhighdrive88

Well said by everyone. Some good posts that make sense. Think we did right thing with 737s. Fuel won't be going through roof anytime soon even if spikes will come back down as oil
glut is huge. CFM engine is rock solid. Higher resale on 700s to secondary markets or as freighters. Very versatile airplane range and short field wise (EGE, JAC, STT etc). Can be converted to a cattle car very quick doing dense all economy seating and lastly...It's a Boeing...it ain't comfortable up front and it's not exciting to fly, there's no wow factor...but it's still a Boeing.

If the Q400 and E190 was any indication the C will be basket case for awhile. I'll take the Guppy anyday.