So exactly where did you correct me?

And those way out of seniority Captains heavily distorted seniority in places like Den. 7400 is still holding den cap and driving to work, while there are lots of us stuck far senior to that but with no bids and no bumping rights on the outside looking in. It really did bastardize the process, which really hasn't even remotely started to sort itself out. Some won, some lost. Fine. But let's at least be honest about what really happened.

Thanks for your post, svergin.

Yes they are out of seniority now but when the bids came out, they were not. When bid 13-08, came out the company had planes coming, the contract was not done and the seniority process had not even started. 14-02 the contract had just been signed but who knew how long the SLI would take. It is part of the merger process. I agree some were in the right place at the right time. I am not sure how else you would have done it.

The United side had a wide body centric weak MEC chairman and the result was a horrible transition agreement for all involved. It didn't have to be the way it turned out. Just another ridiculous outcome of what in the end will be the way not to merge two companies.

The UALALPA MEC had no say in this issue. The only agreement the company was willing to make was to hire furloughed UALs pilot with no senority.

The company(JS) and CALALPA JP didn't want a piecemeal approach of integration. My guess is they felt by stacking the CAL side with Captains it would have and ultimate impact on the SLI and control of the combined Union. I really think JS thought he'd rule the new combined pilot group like had been done with prior CAL unions and CALALPA under Fred and the friends of Fred.

Your assumption that the UALALPA MEC attempted like CALALPA JP used JCBA and pay banding as a way to inflate the UAL side for SLI.
Just go back and look at the UAL/CAL side suggestions for integration. The final result was MUCH closer to the UAL side suggestion. Many on the low side of UAL senority didn't fair as would have been liked but the UAL side held to the New Merger Policy.

JP's shenanigans created the distrust and disunity that causes these little rants and tirades.

Incorrect. The tpa was an agreement. They had say, and when it was violated, they had recourse. It was ineffective and violated repeatedly. The outcome wasn't as I would have hoped, but to say their hands were tied is garbage.

On the subject of collusion of calpa and cal leadership, I agree. Jp and brucia hurt the entire airline but more tragically the cal side more than most realize or are willing to accept.

Yes, the TPA was an agreement. All parties had to approve of the agreement. UALALPA didn't have the horsepower to dictate the final outcome. When the TPA was violated, the UALALPA took action. Unfortunately, like our contract under JS, JS took every opportunity to exert his legal presence to delay and deny.

The UALALPA MEC had hoped for a DL/NW type merger. The failure of the TPA, JCBA and ISL was the inability of the UALALPA MEC to convince CALALPA MEC to break away from JS's coat-tails and work for the common good of the combined pilot group. This discussion is the direct result of the that failure around 6 years after the fact.

'Tragically?' SNORE. Thank gawd half our list is gonna be FNG's by the end of this decade. Also thank gawd 99.9% of the former UAL guys I'm fortunate to work with pass on being your level of drama queen.

None of us thought that. We all felt the new union would be LUA led with a good mix from both sides. And most of us didn't upgrade to Captain because we wanted to see what the SLI would have in store for us, hence the really junior seniority Captains. Absent a pending SLI, I know a bunch of guys that would have upgraded that didn't. They basically told me they didn't want to be on reserve forever if it went UAL's way, which it did.