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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
(Post 2174314)
There is a beeeeeg difference in supporting what you want to hear vs the unvarnished, unbiased truth you should hear. I guess you haven't learned from past experiences.
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
(Post 2174334)
So the "unvarnished truth" in this case is what....according to you and Hutchens?, if it is different than what Cummins claims.
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
(Post 2174334)
So the "unvarnished truth" in this case is what....according to you and Hutchens?, if it is different than what Cummins claims.
The "unvarnished truth" is not far away. Why don't you contact BH(several contact references in this thread) and ask specific question about your fears. Post back the results. Rumor has it BH doesn't bite. |
As others have stated, Chuck offers not ONE SHRED of evidence to back up his claims.
Do your legwork and find the truth. Don't be blinded by $$ signs. I'll give you a hint. The amount is less than $100mil and its decreasing as benefits are paid out. Cummins character is completely shot based on the lies and innuendos he's published. Wouldn't be surprised if Article VIII charges are around the corner. |
Originally Posted by UALinIAH
(Post 2174294)
It's not Cummins and others claiming it. It's just him. He pulled the numbers out of his ass and is trying to use lies to hopefully get enough uninformed people scared enough to vote for him. All the info is available on the ALPA site. The document has been available on the MEC R&I website since October 2015. Attached to it is a letter from Polsinelli Law Firm dated JAN 2016. CC is a raving lunatic hoping to use lies that nobody will verify before the election closes.
Everyone who attended the last LC 171 meeting knows that what CC is trying to spout is BS. MEC R&I briefed what the latest was. Feel free to contact any member and ask for yourself instead of taking the word of someone desperately trying to grasp at straws. In my opinion...........The whole thing is an R/I issue and an ALPA National issue, and not an LEC issue. No one at the LEC level is going to drive results, drive a solution, or have one iota of sway or pull on this issue, specifically because it had to do with a now defunct plan that was managed under an airline that is no longer in existence. True, the pilots over-paid. True enough. But, if you want anything back it won't come from ALPA. ALPA will only pay up if forced to do so legally. Has any money been paid from that "hold back?" The amount of money here is a known dollar figure, it's a fixed amount. ALPA knows they screwed over the military guys and others who had various types of qualifying leaves of absence.... So, why doesn't ALPA just pay the money?? Answer: They haven't been forced to. Grievances, motions, votes, ballots, roll call votes are all just buerocratic tools that simply make people feel like they are doing something. It's just kabuki theater for those wanting a seat at the table and moreover grand kabuki theater for those pulling the strings. When the hold back money gets released let me know. ALPA has taken up the position that although moneys were overpaid, one day the age may change again, and if that happens, ALPA will need the money.... So, rather than do the right thing, ALPA has chosen to do what it wants. Sounds like those that want their money back just need to get a lawyer and stop pushing people to run for office to go and get it for them. No one who runs for office can promise anyone their money back. The numbers we're talking about.....back on topic. Likely they came from Hodges or Pierce. Not likely that Chuck, or anyone else for that matter would be knowledgeable enough to have the high fidelity info on that. I could be wrong, but the only other source for the numbers could be Muir, Zullo, or Abbot. I think Chuck's just trying to do the right thing and try to help those that feel like they can't help themselves. |
if Hutchens wins, what has he pledged to do in order to return the overpayments back to the pilots? If he is "neutral" and is not biased against the former CAL pilots, then surely he would be indeed motivated by his sense of honesty and integrity and would champion the cause and see this as an opportunity to prove that a legacy United pilot can put aside his history for the sake of doing the right thing, and personally see to it that every red cent is accounted for and returned with interest. If he came out and said that, and he backed it up, then we'd have a real interesting horse race here.
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Just my opinion as it relates to moneys and ALPA.
I disagree with ALPA taking the "hold back" in our first post merger contract. The UAL MEC was doing it right with respect to handling of military leave and the CAL MEC was doing it wrong. The lawsuit that resulted from that has been fought (by the company, and not by ALPA) for years now, and management has been unsuccessful in getting it dismissed. ALPA is punishing the former CAL pilots with respect to the hold back. It's a management problem, not a union problem. If CAL management wanted to mis-manage and mis-handle military leave pilots then that should be management's problem, not ALPA's. To date, ALPA hasn't been sued over it, so, in the words of Moses...Let my money go. or was that the people...I forget. As it relates to the disability......This blows my mind. What the hell is ALPA thinking? This isn't their money at all. It was over-paid, and no one thinks otherwise. Not the plan, not management, and not ALPA. So, do the right thing and return the overpayments. If (and this has happened before) management over-pays your paycheck, you better believe they will go into your payrole account and deduct the moneys back out until things are square. You can't get away with taking an employee's money, and you can't get away with taking over-payments away, especially with regard to a third party insurer. If ALPA wants the pilots to really support ALPA, then ALPA needs to treat folks fairly with respect to their finances. That's just an integrity issue for me as far as I am concerned. The reps should go on a hunger strike until the moneys are returned. It shouldn't be just Chuck Cummins falling on his sword to do the right thing. |
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2174476)
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If ALPA wants the pilots to really support ALPA, then ALPA needs to treat folks fairly with respect to their finances. That's just an integrity issue for me as far as I am concerned. The reps should go on a hunger strike until the moneys are returned. It shouldn't be just Chuck Cummins falling on his sword to do the right thing. |
Originally Posted by BMEP100
(Post 2174287)
Where did you copy that from? Sounds as if he disputes the amount Cummins and others claim, but he does not put an amount on it.
The money is in a trust fund that cannot be used for ANYTHING other than what it is currently being used for. ALPA cannot force the company to take on more liability, which is exactly what refunding the plan now would do, no matter how much anyone huffs and puffs. |
Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2174515)
The money is in a trust fund that cannot be used for ANYTHING other than what it is currently being used for. ALPA cannot force the company to take on more liability, which is exactly what refunding the plan now would do, no matter how much anyone huffs and puffs.
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