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Flyguppy 06-24-2016 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 2149985)
Yea so you tell us why since you seem to have the answers. Couldn't have been his record, which was exemplary at saving pilots from management and FAA action.

Nope not his record at CAL anyway.

UA and CO had totally different safety cultures. Both had great records, but different cultures. ESPECIALLY when it came to an accident or incident.

The MEC decided to go UA's way, and Chuck didn't get the chair.

He didn't agree and didn't work within the bounds of the committee he served on. He was fired.

Then he ranted ad nauseum about how it was just because he was from CO.

Dragon7 06-24-2016 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 2149841)
His BS rants on the UALPilots forum were not just at those responsible. He felt he was released because he was lcal. The others on the committee have a different view. I wasn't there in the room when it happened so I have know idea which side is true. But the rants were unacceptable.

Were the others on the Committee lual? Have flown with Chuck, i pay attention to what he thinks of the market, and can think of very few people i would rather have with me if i had to face a disciplinary hearing. Still, trying to figure out what separates these 3 guys other than legacy.

AllenAllert 06-24-2016 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Deafguppy (Post 2150003)
FYI having a base with a large amount of pilots does matter because although most MEC votes are senatorial (1 rep, 1 vote), certain cases allow a roll-call vote, in which each rep votes with the number of pilots they represent.

Without commenting on the individuals, I think it's great that 3 pilots have stepped up for the position.

Please vote!

Would you care to point us in the direction of ALPA bylaws and constitution that allows a representative to vote for the total members in his LEC? Maybe a cut-and-paste?

With a Captain and F/O rep, do they both get to vote for the same members giving them super voting powers????

I agree that each pilot should vote but before you do - read the proffers and go to the next couple of LEC meetings.

Birddog 06-24-2016 06:59 AM

The number of pilots is of no significant advantage on the MEC. It's only worth one vote at the board. Ask Ben Sally.

It is an advantage in a MEC roll call vote where your voting power is determined by the number of pilots you represent.

I have been a Houston based pilot since my wife and I moved to Kingwood in 1987.* A long time. I have held positions as both a First Officer and a Captains Representative.* I have also been a Line Check Airman

Were these management positions or ALPA elected/appointed positions?

You really don’t know which of these are ALPA positions? Additionally the FO and CA rep are always elected, never appointed positions. You really need to read the ALPA CB&L.

It is a wonderful time to be a United pilot. We have industry leading wages and a sufficient contract. But it does not come without its challenges, both present and future. * I have seen the ebb and flow of this base, and that of other bases within our system, past and present. We are at a crossroads in Houston.* A cross road I feel our current C171 representatives had our combined best interest sharply in focus until this tragedy. *

I take this as one who feels the contract is good enough and no work is needed to improve or fix many of the current contract issues.

If I remember correctly two-thirds originally thought this contract was good enough and that was reiterated by the I think 80% who voted for the extension. Of course he would work to improve the contract. Your attempt to spin what he wrote does not change that.

You are so off base in your understanding of the politics in C-171. Are you really based there? Nic and Jeff were both former L-UA and were elected.

A big problem with Cummins is he has done nothing but spew insults towards the former L-UA pilots since the merger. His latest swipe just in the last week was he said this:


"My motto: "A Granola in every pot"

"Ask not what dry cleaning can do for you. Ask what YOU can do for dry-cleaning""


And now that he has decided to run for ALPA elective office he wants everyone to believe he has suddenly changed his stripes.

Birddog

AllenAllert 06-24-2016 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 2150086)
The number of pilots is of no significant advantage on the MEC. It's only worth one vote at the board. Ask Ben Sally.

It is an advantage in a MEC roll call vote where your voting power is determined by the number of pilots you represent.

I have been a Houston based pilot since my wife and I moved to Kingwood in 1987.* A long time. I have held positions as both a First Officer and a Captains Representative.* I have also been a Line Check Airman

Were these management positions or ALPA elected/appointed positions?

You really don’t know which of these are ALPA positions? Additionally the FO and CA rep are always elected, never appointed positions. You really need to read the ALPA CB&L.

It is a wonderful time to be a United pilot. We have industry leading wages and a sufficient contract. But it does not come without its challenges, both present and future. * I have seen the ebb and flow of this base, and that of other bases within our system, past and present. We are at a crossroads in Houston.* A cross road I feel our current C171 representatives had our combined best interest sharply in focus until this tragedy. *

I take this as one who feels the contract is good enough and no work is needed to improve or fix many of the current contract issues.

If I remember correctly two-thirds originally thought this contract was good enough and that was reiterated by the I think 80% who voted for the extension. Of course he would work to improve the contract. Your attempt to spin what he wrote does not change that.

You are so off base in your understanding of the politics in C-171. Are you really based there? Nic and Jeff were both former L-UA and were elected.

A big problem with Cummins is he has done nothing but spew insults towards the former L-UA pilots since the merger. His latest swipe is he said this:


"My motto: "A Granola in every pot"

"Ask not what dry cleaning can do for you. Ask what YOU can do for dry-cleaning""


Birddog

By the orders of proffers that you presented and comments, it's obvious you have and agenda. Maybe the dark-side of CAL wouldn't like to see a LUAL majority LEC in IAH. I agree the politics of IAH has changed but it was just a short time ago that the then LEC rep brokered a backroom deal with local management to give super senority for a select few.

From all the great things being said about Edwards, maybe he would be better of appointed to the R&I committee instead of heading the largest pilot base.

All politics are local and if you want to keep them local don't put them on a public forum.

As far as the contract goes, I don't think anybody voted for the contract, just the pay raise.

Birddog 06-24-2016 07:53 AM

You got me. Me and Jay Pierce are buddy's and this is part of Jay's master plan. You can't even keep the can't even keep the players straight. The group that according to you "brokered a backroom deal with local management to give super seniority to a select few" have rallied around and are actively promoting your choice Cummins. Elections sure make strange bedfellows.

Edwards isn't the forum stock svengali, Cummins is. Wouldn't you want the svengali on the R&I committee instead of Edwards?

I don't care if local politics is on one of the forums or not. It's just another medium for communication. Cummins has been posting away on the other two forums by the way.

I don't think legacy matters much anymore to most IAH pilots and it doesn't matter either to two of the candidates for CA rep and supposedly one who just had a miraculous change of heart on the subject.

Dogg

Shrek 06-24-2016 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Dragon7 (Post 2150071)
Were the others on the Committee lual? Have flown with Chuck, i pay attention to what he thinks of the market, and can think of very few people i would rather have with me if i had to face a disciplinary hearing. Still, trying to figure out what separates these 3 guys other than legacy.

Does he have good stock tips ?!

Shrek 06-24-2016 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Flyguppy (Post 2150008)
Nope not his record at CAL anyway.

UA and CO had totally different safety cultures. Both had great records, but different cultures. ESPECIALLY when it came to an accident or incident.

The MEC decided to go UA's way, and Chuck didn't get the chair.

He didn't agree and didn't work within the bounds of the committee he served on. He was fired.

Then he ranted ad nauseum about how it was just because he was from CO.

Exactly how it went down - don't know if he changed his ways but the immaturity in which handled his business before and after his ALPA Safety Committee tenure was shocking and amazingly pre-school like.

Not my vote but this is not a simple choice for Houston.

AllenAllert 06-24-2016 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 2150113)
You got me. Me and Jay Pierce are buddy's and this is part of Jay's master plan. You can't even keep the can't even keep the players straight. The group that according to you "brokered a backroom deal with local management to give super seniority to a select few" have rallied around and are actively promoting your choice Cummins. Elections sure make strange bedfellows.

Happy that you have a friend in Jay Pierce but that's not the guy I was referring to - I was actually referring to Ben Sally(a good guy) and the super senority for the surplused 300 guys. Keep Up!!!!

Edwards isn't the forum stock svengali, Cummins is. Wouldn't you want the svengali on the R&I committee instead of Edwards?

Edwards is the one people are referring to as a financial guru. Put him where he can do some good - I understand Green is close to retiring.

I don't care if local politics is on one of the forums or not. It's just another medium for communication. Cummins has been posting away on the other two forums by the way.

I don't think legacy matters much anymore to most IAH pilots and it doesn't matter either to two of the candidates for CA rep and supposedly one who just had a miraculous change of heart on the subject.

The dark-side of LCAL will not let a LUAL guy hold the top slot in IAH.

Dogg

You guys sure seem to be pushing Edwards. Since you brought up your buddy Jay Pierce - Do you think Edwards will be as good a leader as your buddy Pierce. What's JP doing nowadays?

JoePatroni 06-24-2016 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 2150073)
Would you care to point us in the direction of ALPA bylaws and constitution that allows a representative to vote for the total members in his LEC? Maybe a cut-and-paste?

  • (2) Whenever a roll call vote is taken, a representative shall vote all the members in good standing he represents. (C&BL Article I – Section 16)


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