I am not privy to the inner workings of the UAL MEC, but roll call votes are fairly common in MEC meetings. I've seen them used to bully people around (large bases vs. small bases) and also to split the vote for political reasons.

The vote only taken as a roll call if it is asked for, however. It's not a normal thing usually.

This.

The mere fact that somebody who claims to be fairly senior denies knowledge of roll call protocol certainly destroys their credibility with all other union issues, IMHO.

It's pretty friggin basic.

I'm sure you knew it :rolleyes: - when was the roll-call vote called for and used at a UAL or LCAL MEC meeting? Just curious since you seem to know.

Thanks Joe -

One could easily find out by reviewing the MEC meeting minutes. Why don't you do that and answer your own question?

NO! It's just fodder that takes away from the election and that's the point of the thread. Remember it was smoke and mirrors that got the likes of Jay Pierce and Paul Whiteford elected to represent their respective pilots groups.

Hopefully, more than a few guys will show at the July meeting and ask hard question from all the candidates.

Roll call votes are typically taken for two reasons:

1. Demonstrate the will of the body/make a point to management and/or another entity that the pilot group shouldn't be pushed around.

2. To defeat an issue that must be defeated (or pass an issue that must be passed) for the sake of the pilot group at large if the vote did not go your way in a senatorial vote.

When the scabs controlled CAL MEC from the 9/11 furloughs to roughly 2007, the roll call vote was used to shoot-down policies/legislation originating from those bases controlled by and influenced by the scabs, or scab friendly (abbot friendly) forces. Instructors council, GUM council, and CLE council typically voted "strange." In those cases you had very small pilot domiciles with many senatorial votes, but with few roll call votes. A roll-call vote is a quick and easy way of removing the teeth from the heel hounds and putting them back in their dog house.

Houston UAL Council 171

Meeting Notice

DATE:

Thursday, July 7, 2016

TIME: 10:00 a.m.

PLACE: IAH Marriott
18700 John F. Kennedy Blvd.
Houston, TX 77032
281-443-2310
(self-parking will be validated)

AGENDA:

1.****Approval of Meeting Minutes from 4/4/16

2.****Officer Reports

3.****Membership Application for Captain Greg Jacobsen

4.****Nomination and Election of Interim Captain Representative

5.****Nomination of Captain Representative for Term Ending 2/28/19

6.****Old Business

7.****New Business

Refreshments will be provided

Nic Harwood, Acting Chairman
Jamie Call, Secretary-Treasurer
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Just a reminder. C-171 Meeting tomorrow. Please attend if possible as the interim Captain rep will be chosen by those in attendance. More below.

Fellow Pilots,

As you know, our upcoming Council meeting will be held on July 7 during which:

1.*******An interim Captain representative will be elected and

2.*******Nominations will close for the election of a permanent Captain representative.

Let me clarify that these are two separate processes with their own separate nomination and balloting procedures.

As explained in my update of 6/6/16, which you can read by clicking*here, the nomination ballots that pilots have been receiving in the mail are only to nominate candidates for the PERMANENT Captain representative position.

The interim Captain representative will be nominated and elected at the meeting and only by Active Council 171 Members in good standing who are present at the meeting. This is done via secret ballot using separate ballots. Proxies are*not*allowed in accordance with Article III.3.E of the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws.

The voting round for the permanent Captain Representative will begin once nomination results have been received and certified by ALPA National.

I have received some requests for information on how to obtain duplicate ballots. This can be done either by emailing [email protected], by clicking*here*or by calling the Balloting Department on 1-888-359-2572 x 1256

Thank you for your participation.

Sincerely, Nic*

Brad Hutchens is the interim Captain representative.*

Hutchens 51
Cummins 16
Edwards. 6

Moving forward to appear on the electronic ballot for the permanent Captain representative position:

Hutchens/Cummins

Hutchens 110
Cummins. 68
Edwards. 34

That's great!!!!