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atpcliff 09-21-2016 11:57 PM

NextGen Precision Approach Test in SFO
 
Hi!

I saw a screenshot on a post describing the above test by UAL.

I am interested in the details of the test, type of approach, equipment required, both in the plane and on the ground, etc., etc.

Thanx for any and all responses.

Namaste!

flyguy102 09-22-2016 12:03 AM

What's a Precisioin approach?....sounds fancy

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UAL T38 Phlyer 09-22-2016 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy102 (Post 2208132)
What's a Precisioin approach?....sounds fancy

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Hilarious irony. ;) Title fixed.

UAL T38 Phlyer 09-22-2016 01:28 AM

On the evening of Aug. 27, in cooperation with Boeing, the FAA and San Francisco International Airport, we used a Boeing 737 to fly a series of specially designed NextGen approach procedures to demonstrate the operational and environmental benefits of the Ground Based Augmentation System (GBAS), a satellite-based precision landing system that may eventually replace legacy instrument landing systems (ILSs) installed at airports around the world.


In use for decades, an ILS has several limitations that a GBAS seeks to remedy. An ILS requires two fixed ground antennas and produces a single, non-variable approach path. Taxiing aircraft, buildings, terrain, and snow and ice can interfere with ILS signals, making them unusable or requiring air traffic control to increase the spacing between landing aircraft, which can result in delays. GBAS, however, can allow for tighter aircraft spacing, more approach options, steeper approach paths and greater visibility in bad weather because of its reliance on satellite positioning. Ultimately, these advantages could lead to fewer delays and precision landing in unfavorable weather, as well as increased fuel efficiency, lower emissions and a reduction in noise due to the higher glide paths. It's also easier to install and maintain.


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According to Industry Affairs Director Glenn Morse, we chose SFO as the test location for a variety of reasons, including weather issues in the Bay Area and the challenging runway layout.


"When weather is poor, the airport's arrival capacity is cut almost in half, causing delays and cancellations," said Glenn. "The procedures we demonstrated last week, if approved, may allow us to run our operation on poor weather days more like we do on good weather days."


We have been a proponent of GBAS technology since the late 1990s. Currently, GBAS is installed at two of our hubs -- IAH and EWR -- and we hope to add the system at SFO and our other hubs in the future. Our Boeing 787, Airbus A350 and many of our newer 737 aircraft that have a GPS landing system (GLS) installed are capable of using GBAS.

"GBAS is the most precise navigation aid ever developed," said Chief Technical Pilot Ron Renk. "Our near-term goal is to move it from its current Category I certification to Category III, meaning aircraft can rely on it for automated landings, as they now do with ILS. We also hope to apply lessons learned from our demonstration flight at SFO to develop new GLS approaches for IAH and EWR that leverage the technology."

cal73 09-22-2016 04:13 AM

The GLS approaches in Houston are setup just like a straight in ILS. The setup and execution is the same as for an ILS. You even use APP mode. That is the cool thing about it. There is really no procedural change at all. You simply dial in the GLS code in the nav radio and its identified in the same fashion as an ILS. The minimums for the approach are just as low as the Full ILS. No CatII or III though. The accuracy is linear as you would expect a gps based system in that it does not become more sensitive as you approach the antenna of a ground based station. I have not used or seen the SFO GLS procedures yet.


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SpecialTracking 09-22-2016 06:16 AM

Not one word spoken in training of GLS approaches.

bigfatdaddy 09-22-2016 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2208131)
Hi!

I saw a screenshot on a post describing the above test by UAL.

I am interested in the details of the test, type of approach, equipment required, both in the plane and on the ground, etc., etc.

Thanx for any and all responses.

Namaste!

Getting bored with Atlas Cliffy?

robthree 09-22-2016 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 2208255)
Not one word spoken in training of GLS approaches.

I don't recall doing a GLS in the sim during my type course in March, but it was briefed. Much simpler than an RNAV.

Briefed and flew one or two on IOE.

I pretty much do them anytime I'm in EWR or IAH with a plane that's equipped to fly one. No fuss.

myoface 09-22-2016 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy (Post 2208261)
Getting bored with Atlas Cliffy?

More likely Atlas is getting bored with Cliffy.


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