Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > United
NextGen Precision Approach Test in SFO >

NextGen Precision Approach Test in SFO

Search

Notices

NextGen Precision Approach Test in SFO

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-21-2016 | 11:57 PM
  #1  
atpcliff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,215
Likes: 0
From: Capt
Default NextGen Precision Approach Test in SFO

Hi!

I saw a screenshot on a post describing the above test by UAL.

I am interested in the details of the test, type of approach, equipment required, both in the plane and on the ground, etc., etc.

Thanx for any and all responses.

Namaste!

Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 09-22-2016 at 01:22 AM.
Reply
Old 09-22-2016 | 12:03 AM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Default

What's a Precisioin approach?....sounds fancy

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Reply
Old 09-22-2016 | 01:21 AM
  #3  
UAL T38 Phlyer's Avatar
Moderate Moderator
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 5,681
Likes: 0
From: Curator at Static Display
Default

Originally Posted by flyguy102
What's a Precisioin approach?....sounds fancy

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
Hilarious irony. Title fixed.
Reply
Old 09-22-2016 | 01:28 AM
  #4  
UAL T38 Phlyer's Avatar
Moderate Moderator
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 5,681
Likes: 0
From: Curator at Static Display
Default

On the evening of Aug. 27, in cooperation with Boeing, the FAA and San Francisco International Airport, we used a Boeing 737 to fly a series of specially designed NextGen approach procedures to demonstrate the operational and environmental benefits of the Ground Based Augmentation System (GBAS), a satellite-based precision landing system that may eventually replace legacy instrument landing systems (ILSs) installed at airports around the world.


In use for decades, an ILS has several limitations that a GBAS seeks to remedy. An ILS requires two fixed ground antennas and produces a single, non-variable approach path. Taxiing aircraft, buildings, terrain, and snow and ice can interfere with ILS signals, making them unusable or requiring air traffic control to increase the spacing between landing aircraft, which can result in delays. GBAS, however, can allow for tighter aircraft spacing, more approach options, steeper approach paths and greater visibility in bad weather because of its reliance on satellite positioning. Ultimately, these advantages could lead to fewer delays and precision landing in unfavorable weather, as well as increased fuel efficiency, lower emissions and a reduction in noise due to the higher glide paths. It's also easier to install and maintain.



According to Industry Affairs Director Glenn Morse, we chose SFO as the test location for a variety of reasons, including weather issues in the Bay Area and the challenging runway layout.


"When weather is poor, the airport's arrival capacity is cut almost in half, causing delays and cancellations," said Glenn. "The procedures we demonstrated last week, if approved, may allow us to run our operation on poor weather days more like we do on good weather days."


We have been a proponent of GBAS technology since the late 1990s. Currently, GBAS is installed at two of our hubs -- IAH and EWR -- and we hope to add the system at SFO and our other hubs in the future. Our Boeing 787, Airbus A350 and many of our newer 737 aircraft that have a GPS landing system (GLS) installed are capable of using GBAS.

"GBAS is the most precise navigation aid ever developed," said Chief Technical Pilot Ron Renk. "Our near-term goal is to move it from its current Category I certification to Category III, meaning aircraft can rely on it for automated landings, as they now do with ILS. We also hope to apply lessons learned from our demonstration flight at SFO to develop new GLS approaches for IAH and EWR that leverage the technology."
Reply
Old 09-22-2016 | 04:13 AM
  #5  
cal73's Avatar
Redeye avoider
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 933
Likes: 14
From: 737 Captain
Default

The GLS approaches in Houston are setup just like a straight in ILS. The setup and execution is the same as for an ILS. You even use APP mode. That is the cool thing about it. There is really no procedural change at all. You simply dial in the GLS code in the nav radio and its identified in the same fashion as an ILS. The minimums for the approach are just as low as the Full ILS. No CatII or III though. The accuracy is linear as you would expect a gps based system in that it does not become more sensitive as you approach the antenna of a ground based station. I have not used or seen the SFO GLS procedures yet.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply
Old 09-22-2016 | 06:16 AM
  #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,071
Likes: 0
Default

Not one word spoken in training of GLS approaches.
Reply
Old 09-22-2016 | 06:23 AM
  #7  
bigfatdaddy's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 862
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by atpcliff
Hi!

I saw a screenshot on a post describing the above test by UAL.

I am interested in the details of the test, type of approach, equipment required, both in the plane and on the ground, etc., etc.

Thanx for any and all responses.

Namaste!
Getting bored with Atlas Cliffy?
Reply
Old 09-22-2016 | 11:44 AM
  #8  
robthree's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,183
Likes: 0
From: 777, sofa
Default

Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
Not one word spoken in training of GLS approaches.
I don't recall doing a GLS in the sim during my type course in March, but it was briefed. Much simpler than an RNAV.

Briefed and flew one or two on IOE.

I pretty much do them anytime I'm in EWR or IAH with a plane that's equipped to fly one. No fuss.
Reply
Old 09-22-2016 | 05:24 PM
  #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 769
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy
Getting bored with Atlas Cliffy?
More likely Atlas is getting bored with Cliffy.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
palgia841
Career Questions
39
05-06-2013 09:33 AM
Cubdriver
Hiring News
0
05-23-2012 07:37 AM
BEWELCH
Flight Schools and Training
43
03-21-2007 09:42 AM
BEWELCH
Flight Schools and Training
9
12-03-2006 09:13 PM
rongway
Your Photos and Videos
5
06-18-2006 05:32 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices