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Flytolive 12-08-2016 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 2259132)
You mean the economic crisis that was created by Bill Clinton

He stupidly signed the Republican's repeal of Glass Steagall, but the global economic crisis was the result of one thing, leverage brought on by that bill and the repeal of the net capital rule by Bush's SEC Chairman Donaldson. It previously limited leverage to 12-1 for banks.

The rest of your talking points were the result of digging out of the near depression brought on by the right wing's deregulation (for which we are headed back), demographics and globalization.

Feel free to tell us what the Republicans did for those issues other than cause or exacerbate them. Next you'll be telling us the Republicans are pro-labor if not pro-union.

To quote Melvin Udall, Go "sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."

RJDio 12-08-2016 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2259144)
He stupidly signed the Republican's repeal of Glass Steagall, but the global economic crisis was the result of one thing, leverage brought on by that bill and the repeal of the net capital rule by Bush's SEC Chairman Donaldson. It previously limited leverage to 12-1 for banks.

The rest of your talking points were the result of digging out of the near depression brought on by the right wing's deregulation (for which we are headed back), demographics and globalization.

Feel free to tell us what the Republicans did for those issues other than cause or exacerbate them. Next you'll be telling us the Republicans are pro-labor if not pro-union.

To quote Melvin Udall, Go "sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."

Again, Bill created the mechanism that propelled the housing crisis. If I'm not mistaken Bush had a balanced congress for most of his 8 years. Obama had a super majority and his major accomplishment was the failed affordable healthcare act. Obama, Hank Paulson, and Tim Geithner engineered the bank bailout, which rewarded and helped consolidate Wall Street. Maybe you haven't been paying attention but Obama is the one who's been pushing globalism and supporting NAFTA. Republicans are complicit in the decline of our nation but it's mainly due to the fact of their constant capitulation. No the GOP is not the champion of unions. But judging by the approval of NAI, Barry is not the champion of airline labor. I'm withholding judgement on trump. He's not my daddies typical republican. I'm hoping for the best but not holding my breath.

You can dismiss my "talking point", but the facts are the facts. But I guess that's never gotten in the way of the liberal narrative.

Ultimately we have to look out for each other regardless of political affiliation. Fly the contract and fly safe.

Wiggam 12-08-2016 08:55 PM

Here we go arguing about things that happened 10-20 years ago and have little bearing on today. Both US parties screwed us and it's doubtful either one really cares about us. Meanwhile NAI keeps grinding away:

They announced something like 20 weekly European flights going into Stewart NY this week. How about we put our political differences aside and focus on what really matters, squashing NAI UNITED any way we can?

the pun was unintentional until I got there...

ItnStln 12-09-2016 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by Bestglide (Post 2259073)
When will B.O. ever be held accountable for anything?



Never! That's just the way the left is...

baseball 12-09-2016 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by Wiggam (Post 2259173)
How about we put our political differences aside and focus on what really matters, squashing NAI UNITED any way we can?

the pun was unintentional until I got there...

I don't see UAL as interested in squashing NAI. I see our management, at the present time as more interested in them co-existing. Their presence will help management justify downward pressure on lowering the cost of pilot labor. NAI's existence hurts all major US airlines in terms of their union's ability to argue for and justify higher wages.

If NAI is doing the same job for less, management will be keen to point that out in negotiations. Just like comps when shopping for a house. or comps when paying taxes on a house.

When NAI gets a bigger and more threatening footprint, management may be forced to act, but like so many other airlines, if they get a strong foothold it may be hard to force them off the edge of the cliff.

Flytolive 12-09-2016 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 2259163)
Bill created the mechanism that propelled the housing crisis.

No, you are completely incorrect. Glass Steagall is what allowed commercial banks to act like investment banks. It was repealed by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act. All three of those legislators were Republicans. Bush's SEC Chairman Donaldson allowed the banks to lever up.

Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 2259163)
If I'm not mistaken Bush had a balanced congress for most of his 8 years. Obama had a super majority

You're mistaken. Obama had six years of a Dem Senate and two of a Dem House. Bush had four years of a R Senate and Six of a R House. If not for what Obama, the Fed and even Bush at the end of his term did the economy would have surely gone into a depression.

Here are some numbers that show how far we have come economically under Obama. Good and bad.

http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...-2016-Q2_4.png

SpecialTracking 12-09-2016 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2259240)
I don't see UAL as interested in squashing NAI. I see our management, at the present time as more interested in them co-existing. Their presence will help management justify downward pressure on lowering the cost of pilot labor. NAI's existence hurts all major US airlines in terms of their union's ability to argue for and justify higher wages.

If NAI is doing the same job for less, management will be keen to point that out in negotiations. Just like comps when shopping for a house. or comps when paying taxes on a house.

When NAI gets a bigger and more threatening footprint, management may be forced to act, but like so many other airlines, if they get a strong foothold it may be hard to force them off the edge of the cliff.

I'm confident that United is concerned about NAI. Their concerns however, are different than ours. They are tasked with advancing the corporation and promoting it's business model. While their leadership reputation is on line, they will always get paid.

Bestglide 12-09-2016 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2259084)
It is a matter of priorities. You might remember the global economic crisis? Saving 260,000 auto jobs much to the chagrin of the Republicans? Two wars? Killing bin Laden? Health care with no help from Republicans? Even with all that going on the Dems did manage to improve some of the labor provisions in 2009, but obviously not enough.
You said it brother!

So if it's a matter of priorities I guess your boy Barry didn't consider changing the RLA. Nor did he care about our plea to stop NAI!
When your done thinking that Barry was the ultimate savior of the world and lowered sea levels maybe you can come back to the reality that he wasn't that friendly to labor?

buscappy 12-09-2016 05:42 AM

Here are some numbers that show how far we have come economically under Obama. Good and bad.

http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...-2016-Q2_4.png[/QUOTE]

any serious economist (of which there are none writing on this forum) understands that the unemployment rate is down because the labor participation rate is down.
and that addresses the error in just one of the numbers in the chart. who knows how the other numbers were manipulated...

RiddleEagle18 12-09-2016 05:47 AM

Exactly labor participation at ALL TIME LOWS.


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