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Scrappy 12-21-2016 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by Jaded N Cynical (Post 2266826)
My bad.

Point is, PBS system needs to be changed to honor seniority.

It's not the system - it is the constraints set. Any system will produce a certain end result depending on how it is set up. Jeppesen PBS works as it is supposed to.

Dave Fitzgerald 12-21-2016 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by Scrappy (Post 2266870)
It's not the system - it is the constraints set. Any system will produce a certain end result depending on how it is set up. Jeppesen PBS works as it is supposed to.

Let's clarify something right now. It works as the company set up the constraints. It does not now, or has not ever strictly honored seniority. It was never set up to abrogate seniority, but it does.

We have allowed this to fester because we have not deemed it a high enough priority to the negotiating committee. I say its time to fix this abortion. Please tell your LEC reps your thoughts on our PBS system, so maybe we can use some negotiating capital on getting this fixed.

Scrappy 12-22-2016 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2267383)
Let's clarify something right now. It works as the company set up the constraints. It does not now, or has not ever strictly honored seniority. It was never set up to abrogate seniority, but it does.

We have allowed this to fester because we have not deemed it a high enough priority to the negotiating committee. I say its time to fix this abortion. Please tell your LEC reps your thoughts on our PBS system, so maybe we can use some negotiating capital on getting this fixed.

Just curious, did you ever attend an academic session with a PBS SME when we had academics in the CPOs a few years ago?

Dave Fitzgerald 12-22-2016 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by Scrappy (Post 2267661)
Just curious, did you ever attend an academic session with a PBS SME when we had academics in the CPOs a few years ago?

Yup, viewed the videos, and the PBS specialists. I understand the system just fine, I can bid what my seniority holds and get something commensurate. That's not the issue.

It's a lousy system that doesn't honor seniority that desperately needs improvement. Anyone who is happy with our current system is either in the top 5% or hasn't used a better system to know differently.

baseball 12-22-2016 08:30 PM

PBS is only an absence management system that is designed to minimize staffing requirements while maximizing pilot availability through inputed de-cconfliction, And homogenizing flight time. It is not required to honor sennniority the same way it does in perm bidding, vacancy bidding, displacement bidding and vacation bidding.

Scrappy 12-23-2016 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2267969)
Yup, viewed the videos, and the PBS specialists. I understand the system just fine, I can bid what my seniority holds and get something commensurate. That's not the issue.

It's a lousy system that doesn't honor seniority that desperately needs improvement. Anyone who is happy with our current system is either in the top 5% or hasn't used a better system to know differently.

Dave I am in the 30% range and like the system. Not top 5%. You do realize it's not the software that "doesn't honor seniority" (I believe it does fine) but with the constraints set within it right? Our PBS system is only an interface. The constraints are set by the company and the UPA.


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