PTC
 

I just finished the month and was looking at my pay register. My PTC is much greater than my line value because
of a canceled trans-con turn early in the month. Even though I had significant "overs" on my last trip of the month it appears that I never had a shot at exceeding the PTC.
I have always been under the impression that we were protected by trip value and that "unders" from one trip wouldn't offset "overs" from another.

Did this change with the union interpretation of PTC...??

If you cancel a trip, PTC controls pay, so in effect you lose overs.

PTC is scheduled trip line value.

Does the same hold true if the company cancels flying within a trip....??

Trip rigs still apply, say a 4 day trip is 22:00 hard time
on a middle day of trip a 3:00 turn cancels. Now trip pays 19:00 but M5D rig has it pay 20:00 toward LV. So if you had 1:00 of overs on other trip pairings they would be "lost" as PTC is the biger bucket.

Overs on that trip would doubtfully would exceed the difference between LV and PTC

It's easy to feel like you lost "overs", but in reality you got PTC protection and paid for work you didn't fly.

We used to only have PTC for trips after the 20th of the month. If you had cancelled trips for MX or any other reason, you truly got hosed. This whole month PTC is way better.

I may have been paid for work I didn't fly ..... but I sat in a hotel at the companies disposal in the middle of a 4 day trip... and was rewarded with the inability to get paid for additional flying I did at the end of the month...

As he said, for years the Airbus and 737-300 fleets lost pay for any lost flying for any reason prior to the 20th of the month. It was our infamous "LCC" rules. Only flying after the 20th was protected. Be thankful for the protections you have now and hope we can prevent a return to the gutter someday. The contracts many pilots are flying under overseas along with the ME3 / NAI type of encroachment should be of grave concern to us all. Enjoy that profit sharing check.

I have recently returned from an LTA and some of the contractual changes sneak up on me by surprise. On the CAL side we had trip pay protection. In fact I remember having flying cancelled at the end of the month and the flight attendants would grieve over their lost overs for the month while the pilots would be protected. I can see where this was a gain for one group and a give by the other in the last round of negotiations.

What Romeo said. We were pay protected on a leg by leg basis that included overs and didn't matter wether it was after the 20th. I can't stand the PTC system we settled on and should have kept CAL's superior leg by leg provisions. Large monthly pay cut for our side of the fence.

Large paycut? How many months of the year do you have significant leg overs AND a cancellation? I had 1 last year. I keep getting reassigned for MORE time and pay....

That being said, I agree that the PTC/LV provision stinks. When you get reassigned and work more hours it's BS that time is in jeopardy until the end of the month

You just aren't happy about anything. Is your W2 really a lot less now compared to those grand ol' CAL days of jetway extensions and taking your crew rest in a row in coach. Isn't that the barometer of a "giant" paycut, dollars in your account? The past is the past. Let it go. I hear L-UA guys complaining about that lost vacation day like it's worth a years salary. Everyone needs to be looking forward as that's where the trouble awaits.

Revisionist history

I just had training buy a trip off me and all of the sudden my PTC outweighs my Line Value by 4 hrs. Not sure how this math works...

Your line value goes down because the trip is taken off your line. PTC stays the same because it's protected.

Thanks. I'm just not sure how line value goes down 4 hrs by removing a 10 hr trip with no deadheads.

It doesn't matter...PTC will drive your pay for the month.

I asked the original question to clarify the change from an earlier contract. I think awareness of anything we've given up in the past is a big part of looking forward...

Lamb,

I'm actually quite thrilled to be based where I am and making almost as much as I really should be right now. Doesn't mean that we didn't settle for some not so great provisions on both sides of the fence. CAL's earlier leg by leg protection was much better than what we have today which in turn, is much better than what you had in the past. I'm for improving EVERY aspect of OUR contract, period.

Things are pretty swell but there's always room for improvement.

Happened to me probably 4 or 5 times last year but the point is, it doesn't have to be that way and we had a superior system. There's a ton of stuff that we didn't have at CAL that UAL brought to the table and I'm exceedingly grateful for those provisions. I'm sure you can come up with some items that are worse now from UAL's heyday that were an improvement for us CAL types and I'd support improving them enthusiastically.

Absolutely...I just wish I knew why. No way of picking anything up unless I want to work 4 hrs for free....which ain't happening.

Not true in this case. If you pick a trip up PTC and LV will both increase by the credit value of trip picked up. When FBO'd.

Only in the case of line award LV below MPG or Vacation causing LV to be below MPG is there a gap of working for free.

You beat me to it...

757Driver, ABSOLUTELY there are some great things brought over from the CAL side that I'm extremely happy to have. LTD being at the top of the list. And I look forward to joining you in a quest for improvements all around.