PTC
01-28-2017 | 08:40 AM
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PTC
I just finished the month and was looking at my pay register. My PTC is much greater than my line value because
of a canceled trans-con turn early in the month. Even though I had significant "overs" on my last trip of the month it appears that I never had a shot at exceeding the PTC.
I have always been under the impression that we were protected by trip value and that "unders" from one trip wouldn't offset "overs" from another.
Did this change with the union interpretation of PTC...??
of a canceled trans-con turn early in the month. Even though I had significant "overs" on my last trip of the month it appears that I never had a shot at exceeding the PTC.
I have always been under the impression that we were protected by trip value and that "unders" from one trip wouldn't offset "overs" from another.
Did this change with the union interpretation of PTC...??
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01-28-2017 | 08:53 AM
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01-28-2017 | 10:56 AM
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Trip rigs still apply, say a 4 day trip is 22:00 hard time
on a middle day of trip a 3:00 turn cancels. Now trip pays 19:00 but M5D rig has it pay 20:00 toward LV. So if you had 1:00 of overs on other trip pairings they would be "lost" as PTC is the biger bucket.
Overs on that trip would doubtfully would exceed the difference between LV and PTC
It's easy to feel like you lost "overs", but in reality you got PTC protection and paid for work you didn't fly.
We used to only have PTC for trips after the 20th of the month. If you had cancelled trips for MX or any other reason, you truly got hosed. This whole month PTC is way better.
on a middle day of trip a 3:00 turn cancels. Now trip pays 19:00 but M5D rig has it pay 20:00 toward LV. So if you had 1:00 of overs on other trip pairings they would be "lost" as PTC is the biger bucket.
Overs on that trip would doubtfully would exceed the difference between LV and PTC
It's easy to feel like you lost "overs", but in reality you got PTC protection and paid for work you didn't fly.
We used to only have PTC for trips after the 20th of the month. If you had cancelled trips for MX or any other reason, you truly got hosed. This whole month PTC is way better.
01-28-2017 | 02:19 PM
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Trip rigs still apply, say a 4 day trip is 22:00 hard time
on a middle day of trip a 3:00 turn cancels. Now trip pays 19:00 but M5D rig has it pay 20:00 toward LV. So if you had 1:00 of overs on other trip pairings they would be "lost" as PTC is the biger bucket.
Overs on that trip would doubtfully would exceed the difference between LV and PTC
It's easy to feel like you lost "overs", but in reality you got PTC protection and paid for work you didn't fly.
We used to only have PTC for trips after the 20th of the month. If you had cancelled trips for MX or any other reason, you truly got hosed. This whole month PTC is way better.
on a middle day of trip a 3:00 turn cancels. Now trip pays 19:00 but M5D rig has it pay 20:00 toward LV. So if you had 1:00 of overs on other trip pairings they would be "lost" as PTC is the biger bucket.
Overs on that trip would doubtfully would exceed the difference between LV and PTC
It's easy to feel like you lost "overs", but in reality you got PTC protection and paid for work you didn't fly.
We used to only have PTC for trips after the 20th of the month. If you had cancelled trips for MX or any other reason, you truly got hosed. This whole month PTC is way better.
01-29-2017 | 07:04 AM
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As he said, for years the Airbus and 737-300 fleets lost pay for any lost flying for any reason prior to the 20th of the month. It was our infamous "LCC" rules. Only flying after the 20th was protected. Be thankful for the protections you have now and hope we can prevent a return to the gutter someday. The contracts many pilots are flying under overseas along with the ME3 / NAI type of encroachment should be of grave concern to us all. Enjoy that profit sharing check.
01-29-2017 | 11:13 AM
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As he said, for years the Airbus and 737-300 fleets lost pay for any lost flying for any reason prior to the 20th of the month. It was our infamous "LCC" rules. Only flying after the 20th was protected. Be thankful for the protections you have now and hope we can prevent a return to the gutter someday. The contracts many pilots are flying under overseas along with the ME3 / NAI type of encroachment should be of grave concern to us all. Enjoy that profit sharing check.
01-30-2017 | 08:10 PM
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As he said, for years the Airbus and 737-300 fleets lost pay for any lost flying for any reason prior to the 20th of the month. It was our infamous "LCC" rules. Only flying after the 20th was protected. Be thankful for the protections you have now and hope we can prevent a return to the gutter someday. The contracts many pilots are flying under overseas along with the ME3 / NAI type of encroachment should be of grave concern to us all. Enjoy that profit sharing check.
01-31-2017 | 06:45 AM
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What Romeo said. We were pay protected on a leg by leg basis that included overs and didn't matter wether it was after the 20th. I can't stand the PTC system we settled on and should have kept CAL's superior leg by leg provisions. Large monthly pay cut for our side of the fence.
That being said, I agree that the PTC/LV provision stinks. When you get reassigned and work more hours it's BS that time is in jeopardy until the end of the month
01-31-2017 | 06:52 AM
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What Romeo said. We were pay protected on a leg by leg basis that included overs and didn't matter wether it was after the 20th. I can't stand the PTC system we settled on and should have kept CAL's superior leg by leg provisions. Large monthly pay cut for our side of the fence.
You just aren't happy about anything. Is your W2 really a lot less now compared to those grand ol' CAL days of jetway extensions and taking your crew rest in a row in coach. Isn't that the barometer of a "giant" paycut, dollars in your account? The past is the past. Let it go. I hear L-UA guys complaining about that lost vacation day like it's worth a years salary. Everyone needs to be looking forward as that's where the trouble awaits.
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