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01-31-2017 | 07:19 AM

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01-31-2017 | 10:24 AM

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I just had training buy a trip off me and all of the sudden my PTC outweighs my Line Value by 4 hrs. Not sure how this math works...

01-31-2017 | 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89

I just had training buy a trip off me and all of the sudden my PTC outweighs my Line Value by 4 hrs. Not sure how this math works...

Your line value goes down because the trip is taken off your line. PTC stays the same because it's protected.

01-31-2017 | 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 89Pistons

Your line value goes down because the trip is taken off your line. PTC stays the same because it's protected.

Thanks. I'm just not sure how line value goes down 4 hrs by removing a 10 hr trip with no deadheads.

01-31-2017 | 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89

Thanks. I'm just not sure how line value goes down 4 hrs by removing a 10 hr trip with no deadheads.

It doesn't matter...PTC will drive your pay for the month.

01-31-2017 | 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lambourne

You just aren't happy about anything. Is your W2 really a lot less now compared to those grand ol' CAL days of jetway extensions and taking your crew rest in a row in coach. Isn't that the barometer of a "giant" paycut, dollars in your account? The past is the past. Let it go. I hear L-UA guys complaining about that lost vacation day like it's worth a years salary. Everyone needs to be looking forward as that's where the trouble awaits.

I asked the original question to clarify the change from an earlier contract. I think awareness of anything we've given up in the past is a big part of looking forward...

01-31-2017 | 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lambourne

Lamb,

I'm actually quite thrilled to be based where I am and making almost as much as I really should be right now. Doesn't mean that we didn't settle for some not so great provisions on both sides of the fence. CAL's earlier leg by leg protection was much better than what we have today which in turn, is much better than what you had in the past. I'm for improving EVERY aspect of OUR contract, period.

Things are pretty swell but there's always room for improvement.

01-31-2017 | 03:21 PM

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Large paycut? How many months of the year do you have significant leg overs AND a cancellation? I had 1 last year. I keep getting reassigned for MORE time and pay....

That being said, I agree that the PTC/LV provision stinks. When you get reassigned and work more hours it's BS that time is in jeopardy until the end of the month

Happened to me probably 4 or 5 times last year but the point is, it doesn't have to be that way and we had a superior system. There's a ton of stuff that we didn't have at CAL that UAL brought to the table and I'm exceedingly grateful for those provisions. I'm sure you can come up with some items that are worse now from UAL's heyday that were an improvement for us CAL types and I'd support improving them enthusiastically.

01-31-2017 | 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer

It doesn't matter...PTC will drive your pay for the month.

Absolutely...I just wish I knew why. No way of picking anything up unless I want to work 4 hrs for free....which ain't happening.

01-31-2017 | 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89

Absolutely...I just wish I knew why. No way of picking anything up unless I want to work 4 hrs for free....which ain't happening.

Not true in this case. If you pick a trip up PTC and LV will both increase by the credit value of trip picked up. When FBO'd.

Only in the case of line award LV below MPG or Vacation causing LV to be below MPG is there a gap of working for free.