iPad App Store
 

Downloading a UA App used to open a window to the Apple App Store- no more?

they closed that loop hole... no more apps other than the white list provided/cleared by mother UAL.

That sucks.......

No, you should not be using the company iPad for anything that is not strictly related to work. Just don't do it. It's too easy for them to snoop.


Use your own assets. If you can't afford an iPad on your own, pickup up a short call, or senior man trip to pay for it.

Who cares if they snoop. What kind of stuff do you have on your personal iPad? I guess if you think you might get fired, then you should probably have your stuff backed up. You know, in case they ask for your badge and your iPad one morning.

This is mostly true. Actually, whenever there are new updates in the itunes store, you have to catch it. While it's doing the updates, you have to do a quick search to try and grab other apps to upload. For example, on the last iPad update, the iTunes app did appear and it showed 18 updates. While it was updating those 18, i downloaded several other apps i needed.

Though I agree with Dave Fitzergerald that you should keep personal stuff on another IPAD, there is nothing wrong on downloading useful apps on your work IPAD, if that's all you want to take with you. For example, FaceTime or Skype video apps. Or perhaps, your cable company's or NFL app, to watch shows on the road, etc.. This was useful when flying to places where they might hassle you for your extra laptop ( mexico cities, Lima...). I don't take my extra laptop to those places but need video talk capabilities. So, yes i want my own extra apps on the company IPAD. There are always guys like Dave that tell you just not to do it, but it's not ALL applicable to ALL people.

I believe the point is the Company has now closed this loophole.

Actually they removed the App Store permanently... that back door doesn't work anymore where it pops up for 30 secs. If you find a work around please share.

No, please don't share that...really.

Just follow the damn policy...its so easy to do so, and if you can't do that, can you follow other SOP or are you picking and choosing what to adhere to in regard to aircraft SOP as well?

You all can afford a personal ipad, or as Dave Fitzgerald said, pick up a short call or SRM trip and then you can. I understand you might not want to carry two ipads, and I get that. I also know that Mexico might confiscate one of them if you do carry two in, but that's how it goes and you have to get senior enough to avoid Mexico in that case.

Just follow this simple instruction so we can get past having to spend company man-hours on monitoring this and spend it on something else more important.

Start throwing the spears, I'm ready to catch them.

I bet you get SUPER ****ed when you see someone without a hat! Sheesh!

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Chill... I have my own 12 inch iPad Pro that I can actually read the font w/out glasses.

I'm just passing on the latest issues with the App Store that others asked about on his thread. We all Appreciate your concern but many want to load apps regardless... and it's not SOP.

HAHA, no, I really don't get super ****ed when someone doesn't have their hat. Maybe they forgot to throw it in the car before they left.

The scabcab pilots get the Apple Store on their iPads because the Company trusts them. The Striker-wanna-be's don't because the company doesn't trust them. True. LOL

LCAs and SCs get full access too from what I've heard...

I am bemused by all the bleating and flying spittle regarding the ipad. There is a phenomenal amount of "stuff" on the web pertaining to flying, weather, travel, maps, cities, diet, exercise, etc that is germane to our occupation yet completely benign. Do guys really think that there's a group of sleuths in Willis pouring over this nonsense? And, that they're ready to pounce on the reckless offenders? Has anyone really gotten in hot water for reasonable (but not necessarily company use) of the ipad? I'm not talking material obviously beyond the edge of decorum, just oh hell, Yelp? Radar Now, Intellicast, SurfCam, Kindle, eBay, Pandora, CigarBar Finder, etc etc? Some guys are truly afraid of Mother and apparently, their own shadow.

I carry my own machine and use it for 99 percent of my personal surfing, but occasionally I act impetuously and veer way off the reservation and I use theirs. Who really cares and why the need to lecture the rest of us ad nauseam?

And for what its worth, just this week I asked about this very issue with a guy who has spent a lot of time in the Flight Office. He laughed and said there isn't the manpower for such trivial pursuit. They have far stinkier fish to fry.

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Yes, the app does reappear when you have standard updates with the UA app. When you start the UA app, then immediately look for the App Store icon and it usually will have a red circle with the number of updates you need. Hopefully it's a nice number over 10 so you have time to look up all the apps you want to download. Don't fart around. Just click on the search (magnifying glass) and then type in the app you want to download. Find it, and hit download, then move on to the next app to search and download. It can be done!

I agree, no one is monitoring the iPad specifically. However, if you get under the microscope for any other reason, they will pile on with the iPad. It's really not worth it.

You are most likely junior to me, so doesn't really matter much to me either way. In fact, all the new hires should be encouraging you to use it for whatever you want....but remember, even with our new labor friendly CEO, flt office managers are still not the pilots friend. Especially in SFO.

Mako, respectfully, I disagree. As I said above, it won't be the iPad that gets you nailed, but it will be another nail in the coffin. Just use something else, it's easy. Phone, your own iPad, computer....and yes, people have gotten themselves in trouble over it.

Remember Unimatic E-notes? Same thing. It's too easy for management to snoop. Same thing for company E-mail, don't use it.

The iPad IS monitored by software, they know exactly what apps you have and they know exactly how you use it. If you don't believe that, go to a porn site on your iPad and see how long it takes for your phone to ring. The big concern from their standpoint, according to the "head iPad guy" at a standards meeting, is having a third party, unapproved app being used to gain entry to the internal United computer system.

Sorry, but NO. A pilot who wants to have EZCCS or Cockpit Companion available on his iPad is not going to "get in trouble" over it. That said, don't use the company iPad for things not related to work - that's my 2¢ on the subject.

All that BS aside however, I came here to see if it was just me or everyone else also having the issue. Sure enough. What I ask all of you to do is recommend the apps that you like and use (for work, because you find them helpful) to the Training Committee or Safety Committee via ALPA PDRs. I know that there is another venue, but the PDR at least gets the issue into the ALPA system and makes sure that your Reps. get your feedback as well.

Leave it to UAL's great IT hacks to make sure that we can't use a UAL approved app like EZCCS on the company iPad... :confused: UFB

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While you may not be able to to use or install a particular app on the company iPad, I haven't found any problems using the company's bandwidth via personal hotspot. ;)

Not the ideal solution obviously, but where there's a will theres a way. Not a big deal domestically, but internationally that tip comes in handy.

Yes! And...another "loophole" to be plugged by the Good Deal Cops no doubt...

An LCA told me a standards meeting had a slide with unapproved apps on ipads, rank ordered from most to least. One month it was some game and few knew what it was. Someone said it was a kids' game that people were loading for their kids (or grand kids). Everyone laughed. They know.

If the LCA's are wasting their time monitoring this type of crap, then we're in a lousy spot.

It was likely an entertainment slide for the meeting, not something the LCAs need monitor. It demonstrates the company knows what's on there and it appears they're now moving to shut down the non-white list apps.

Management applauds your use of the Distilled Whiskey and Community Guide App, but recommends you update your Tinder password.

Funny thing is, LCA's have the App store enabled. The one's I have seen have a lot of non-white list apps installed. Seems like a double standard.

But but they have cool red letters on their badges saying checkairman - so awesome :rolleyes:

The color of the letters should be brown

With great responsibility comes great access, or something like that.

Half Wing,

Let me help you out with a huge misconception here and maybe save you the time and trouble of having to find a new job. The company is actively monitoring your iPad automatically and constantly. I have seen two live demonstrations of the monitoring system.

The head tech dude comes into the room during a meeting and puts the iPad monitoring screen up on the projector. Any unauthorized app or website that is or has been used in a company iPad comes up with the violators file number attached. What is an unauthorized app you ask? ANY APP THAT IS NOT AVAIABLE THROUGH THE UAL APP STORE! What is an unauthorized website? Anything that is not available through the UAL APP STORE or is not company related.

Do not web surf with your company iPad. Do not load unauthorized apps. They know about it immediately. If they choose to act on it they will act on it. Don't be stupid, don't think that you are out smarting the company, just get your own personal device for personal activities.

Especially don't do this if you are a half winger..... This is not rocket science folks.

Is there a grey area here? Yes. Is there a a line in the sand? Yes. And you don't want to be the guy who finds out where that line is.

Yes they do, so do instructors.

My iPad is strictly a company iPad except for the non company apps that we are asked to download occasionally for work stuff. One was a meeting app, another was a study app, and another was the app that they use in meetings that collects answers to questions in the room that they now have made a company app.

I am writing this in my personal iPad that I got through Verizon, I bought it primarily to run ForeFlight on. There is no FREAKING way I'd use my company iPad in a personal airplane.....

Funny you mention that. Had trouble with my ipad and was speaking to one of the tech guys. Asked him if they monitored what was on our ipads and he laughed. Yeah, he said, there are 4 of us on duty and in between trouble shooting tech problems and changing passwords we spy on 12,000 Pilots ipad content.

Guess if they had cause to seek you out they could but I seriously doubt anyone's going to bother checking them out.

I'm with you, put whatever the hell you want on the thing and leave the porn on your own personal device. So funny when someone brings up SOP and the FOM and how we have to follow every letter of it all the time. These clowns who are usually the biggest offenders of doing it "their way" and reek of do as I say, not as I do.

:eek: U must B an important dude to C all of that!:cool:
They can also track your IP and MAC address, but why would we spent $$ to track every troll on the internet; unless you did something...;) that cost $$ and reputation.

Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching you!! 🙄🙄

Yeah I'm like the Grand Kumbah and head booger picker all mixed into one. Either that or I was required to attend the annual three day standardization meeting like every other instructor, LCA, APD or whatever is every single year. This isn't really that top secret or behind the scenes dude.

You are welcome to put anything you'd like on your company iPad. Just sayin that doing so makes you a moron when it costs so little to simply provide your own personal device for personal use.

That's just it. You'll probably get away with it forever. But if they ever wanted to shank you for something you are providing them with the blade.

Yup.

I'm saying UAL would, or would not, do this but I personally witnessed this exact scenario at another carrier with electronic devices.

They don't have the staffing to bother watching everybody 24/7 but they certainly are capable of going back and looking at everything an individual of interest has done, and long after the fact.

Along with all the other features, the installed "Airwatch" software is very powerful, and totally legal, spyware. (Hint: they even put "watch" in the name.)

Data collection is nothing new, they know exactly what you have and how many times you have accessed the specific application or file on your iPad.
This is how they know, how many pilots read Safety publications, how you manage your apps, etc. Entire profile is under General - Dev. Mgmt. (MDM Profile). If you want to get deeper, you can download your profile and edit it in Apple Xcode or any Swift editor. Or you can briefly look through all profiles within (textual description)
Data collection is a tool used by company to compile CQDL and training.

Yes, if you have a mishap and unfortunately a serious injury or loss of life; rest assure, your company iPad will be subject to review.
Guess what, during accident investigation all your personal electronic devices, you had with you at the time of accident, will be subpoena by NTSB lawyers, including your cell phone, and cell phone records, credit card info going back minimum 3 weeks, surveillance footage from hotels and airports, etc.
So, Mr. LCA "I have my own devices"; next time you talk to your Asian or South American girlfriend while taxing or with a door close and beacon on, or checking how's your commute flight doing, or texting your boyfriend, or downloading Russian XXX clips in the overnight hotel, just think about it for a second. Does it make a difference that I use my own PED at work?
Lawyers will do their best to demonstrate your state of mind and intent, they will fry you, and who knows; depends on the content of your PED, governemnt may even fry you on additional charges.
Before you ask; YES, I participated in a trial, and it wasn't pleasant for the party involved. LOL insurance did not apply in that case.;)

Cool story bro...

But using your PED in flight or anytime the flight deck door is closed falls into the category known as MORON that's already been mentioned. So in a nutshell for those of you who still aren't getting it. Don't use your company iPad for personal stuff. Don't use your PED illegally while on duty. And I guess we need to mention for "best" sake don't look at illegal content either.

That way if your stuff does get confiscated and looked at it will not be a problem!

It's really not that tough.

While they are doing all the monitoring maybe they could find someone that could actually provide power to our company ipad while we are working, how long has it been and still no solution in sight.