Originally Posted by whalesurfer (Post 2548038)

Yes, I’m worried. Yes, I’m mad at the company for their poor planning and their constant disregard of our contract.
However, I’m also optimistic that the union will defend us and that in the end we’ll be ok. The company wants to grow. So do we. I’m hopeful we’ll see a solution that’s acceptable to both sides.

Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2548101)

Ask a FedEx pilot about the wet lease subcontracting payments they get

Originally Posted by Harrisburg (Post 2548142)

You do realize it's $2.13 a day, right?

Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2548160)

Point being, they also have other airlines flying their volume...

Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2548101)

Ask a FedEx pilot about the wet lease subcontracting payments they get

Originally Posted by whalesurfer (Post 2548038)

I agree with few of your other points but are you thinking of some of them good ‘ole Kentucky teeth here?? :confused:

http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/one_eater.jpg

This $2.1M Kentucky TOOTH is a dream come true for brown because even though the penalty is an additional cost the contractors themselves are dirt cheap. You need to factor in the subcontractors’ pay rates. I got aprox numbers from an Austrian pilot who transitioned from emirates to turkish airlines for commuting purposes. He said that Turkish Airlines pays 25-30% less than Emirates. ..and the Turkish pay is about twice of what contractors out there get. So basically their senior captains (turkish subcontractors) make about half of what our junior FOs make. YUUUUGE savings for our company.

So while the company has to pay us a staggering :rolleyes: $2.1M for this flagrant outsourcing of our flying, they still save millions of dollars for every year non-ipa pilots fly our cargo.

Having said that, our scope is being challenged by the company and we all need to stick together. Many new hires and new-hire wannabes read these threads and I think your (cl300, harrisburg, pastv1, etc.) absolutely valid criticism should be put in context of our union negotiating with a big brown wall.

Maybe the scope isn’t as great as we thought it was or maybe it is? I don’t know, those decisions were made before my time here and it’s all WAY above my pay grade. ..but what other options do we or did we have?

What we do know is that our EB needs us to stick together and to follow their lead. I’m proud of our union and know that you are too. We all know that our lives would’ve been absolutely miserable without the work rules and the benefits IPA negotiated for us. Case in point, after my next 11-day trip I’ll be off for at least 39 days, possibly longer if I manage to get the first 2 weeks off in the 18-04 bid. ..and all I had to work with were 2 weeks of vacation! So 2 weeks of vac + OCV = LUV!!! LOL!
I showed my schedule to my fdx crashpad roomie and he was absolutely flabbergasted.

Yes, I’m worried. Yes, I’m mad at the company for their poor planning and their constant disregard of our contract.
However, I’m also optimistic that the union will defend us and that in the end we’ll be ok. The company wants to grow. So do we. I’m hopeful we’ll see a solution that’s acceptable to both sides.

Originally Posted by skek (Post 2548295)

This makes no sense at all. It makes no difference whatsoever what Western Global pays their pilots. Whether a captain there makes $75,000 or $500,000, UPS pays them (the contracting company) a set fee for ACMI. I assure you that a short term contract (one year if you believe the rumors) in these market conditions is most assuredly not inexpensive....

...But then again, I went to public school in Kentucky and apparently you have little regard for that. I do absolutely agree on the unity part (hence, the no making fun of you and your education. Despite an incredibly flawed argument on your part). Also, OCV is incredible. I'm getting ready to take advantage of that myself. Enjoy your time off, be professional and remain UNITED.

Originally Posted by CactusCrew (Post 2548127)

Agree, to a certain degree.

It may be true that UPS wants to grow. So does the IPA.

But, it does not seem like UPS wants to grow with us. At least not according to their actions. Actions speak louder than words.

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Originally Posted by PastV1by10 (Post 2548697)

I am surprised that some think having other carriers on our ramps is no big deal. Maybe if we put it into a staffing perspective of 7 international airplanes equaling into 70 new captain and 100 new fo positions would make it sting a little more. Got guys ticked off at NURPs being hired into the left seat but some don’t give chit about these other outfits flying out rubber dogchit. Can’t really make this stuff up.