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Peoplemvr 11-12-2025 03:54 PM

I’m curious as to why the Dc-10s weren’t included in the AD. Different pylon structure?

VacancyBid 11-12-2025 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Peoplemvr (Post 3969424)
I’m curious as to why the Dc-10s weren’t included in the AD. Different pylon structure?

I don’t think any are still flying

Feef 11-12-2025 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Peoplemvr (Post 3969424)
I’m curious as to why the Dc-10s weren’t included in the AD. Different pylon structure?

The last FedEx MD-10 was pulled in December 2022. I do believe Orbis is operating the MD-10 still....

Madella0124 11-12-2025 04:22 PM

I believe some -10’s are used in fire fighting.

Qrav8tor 11-12-2025 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 3969207)
I remember the AAMPs instructors first words. “Who here is a Top Gun graduate.”

That was such a bad way to teach maneuvering an airliner. Using the rudder that way, which snapped the tail off the Bus, only really works when pulling G’s.

I went through course when still at American Eagle- was so impressed being taught by a top gun instructor… quickly learned it was bad advice- remember my first thought when AA crashed in JFK- I bet he stomped on rudders just like we were taught- very unfortunate

Peoplemvr 11-12-2025 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by Qrav8tor (Post 3969449)
I went through course when still at American Eagle- was so impressed being taught by a top gun instructor… quickly learned it was bad advice- remember my first thought when AA crashed in JFK- I bet he stomped on rudders just like we were taught- very unfortunate

Yup. AMR got their pee-pee whacked on that one.

Singlecoil 11-13-2025 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by Peoplemvr (Post 3969422)
Yup….I remember. Just stomp the rudder, you’ll be fine.

What's sad is that there are still a lot of CFI's and professional pilots that think that as long as you are at or below Va, maneuvering speed, you can push or pull on any control without damaging the aircraft. That's only true for positive g's, of course.

JohnBurke 11-13-2025 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Singlecoil (Post 3969607)
What's sad is that there are still a lot of CFI's and professional pilots that think that as long as you are at or below Va, maneuvering speed, you can push or pull on any control without damaging the aircraft. That's only true for positive g's, of course.

The popular misbelief is that a surface will stall before it will break at or below Va, and that just ain't true. That concept applies to a single input, but the generalization overlooks the fact that no consideration is given for reversals or structural flex following a reversal; it wasn't the load from a singular control deflection that broke the American flight; it was the reversal and subsequent induced load on the attach structure.


Originally Posted by Madella0124 (Post 3969435)
I believe some -10’s are used in fire fighting.

They are. They are also given a drastically reduced lifespan and taken out of service based on that applied life-limit. Many years ago a NASA study determined that airframes in aerial firefighting incur stresses at the rate of 500-1000 times that of the same airframe in commercial service; the airframe life is reduced accordingly and the aircraft subsequently scrapped upon reaching that low life-limiting value.

ThreeSides 11-15-2025 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by Peoplemvr (Post 3969424)
I’m curious as to why the Dc-10s weren’t included in the AD. Different pylon structure?

They are included now. https://drs.faa.gov/browse/ADFREAD/d...dalOpened=true

rickair7777 11-23-2025 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3969752)
The popular misbelief is that a surface will stall before it will break at or below Va, and that just ain't true. That concept applies to a single input, but the generalization overlooks the fact that no consideration is given for reversals or structural flex following a reversal; it wasn't the load from a singular control deflection that broke the American flight; it was the reversal and subsequent induced load on the attach structure.

Yup.

Try standing up from a squatting position.

Then jump up in the air, land in a squat and try standing up as you bottom out. Actually don't do that, you'll probably injure yourself.


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