People should be paid what they are contractually due, without having to jump through hoops to get it. That's the basic premise of the employer/employee relationship...exchange of service in exchange for money.

Sometimes payroll mistakes DO happen; they aren't unique to here and not everything is an attempted wage theft. Once identified those mistakes should be quickly remedied. But when they aren't, or a management business decision is made like denying contractual revision premiums, or Lucy pulls the football away via some other means (and I'm not talking an extracontractual 'cut deal' but rather something straightforward) then yeah, the outrage is absolutely justifiable.

And its beyond time for crewmembers to also individually make business decisions, like evaluating the value of services-for-money on days off or in exchange for earned vacation.

Agree with Boiler, you should be paid what’s contractually due and if you make side deals, that should be honored as well, though the ‘making side deals,’ part is dodgy and usually not in the groups best interest - not saying you did that, just saying it as a general statement.

Clown guy: you got screwed by the company, contract violated and thats the bs. You don’t deserve that. At the same time, picking up JA is your contractual right but one that does send a message (multiple) to the company whether you want it to or not. Posting your experience does help others and thanks for that but I can think of a better way to help your bros and bras.

Hopefully they get his pay fixed. Whether it’s a straight pickup or JA he needs to be compensated properly.

As far as side deals go… just don’t. Remember this is the same place that posted a fictitious MD-11 bid package 3 months ago. Good luck if you think they’ll honor their part of the deal.

Peeps interested in this place: the way it works here is that the ‘ups air district’, the “airline,” division of UPS, is not run in a top down pattern, it’s decentralized. Each dept is its own little silo of power and control but with no authority over any other silo. So the crew scheduler was probably perfectly honest with bro in making that deal. Once payroll, a sub-dept of crew logistics silo, or quality assurance, (another silo who’s only purpose is to make sure pilots aren’t getting overpaid…underpaid not their concern), once either of them gets a hold of the deal, does their little oversight or whatever, they will waive the flag, deem the transaction not-authorized, and not pay bro correctly. You’d think the Cheif pilots could step in and make things right but they are yet another silo with no control over much besides coffee in the crew lounges and/or firing you for something. “Labor,” is the entity who is really in charge of the silos at the airline and you can think of them as the mysterious wizards behind the curtain. Their silos are an insulating layer between the pilots and Labor - I’d bet 90+% of the pilot group couldn’t even name 1 person who would be considered with the labor group.

This is another reason the hiring process is so whacky, to be polite. Pilot hiring is just another silo, subset of air district HR, and they can’t do anything until labor tells them. And for the even bigger picture, ups air district is just another silo within the greater ups corporation so the airline has to ask corporate (Atlanta) to hire and only corporate are the ones who give the actual nod or not.

IT is another silo and great example of how the decentralized structure causes chaos. Underfunded and mostly concerned with security over function, they are a round hole who insist all the square peg IT needs of other silos be massively contorted to fit through their round hole. The result is a functional disaster.

Needless to say there’s little collaboration between silos, almost no cooperation and some would say there’s actual conflict though I’d say it’s more ego. Either way, knowing how the company really operates is crucial to understand BEFORE deciding to work here because those who lack the ability to channel their inner apathy are gunna have a tough time. Those who can, take all the money, time off, and healthcare benefits and run / don’t look back.

Hope this little insight is helpful to someone and thanks in advance to guys like boiler who clarify any inaccuracies I made.

Well put. Its a system UPS likes and wants. No matter what some new manager might say, there is no fixing or changing it.

Very good description of the UPS dysfunction. For example, all the recent ZScaler, Authenticator, BS changes, the air district did not want it, NJ IT (the silo in charge of all UPS IT) shoved this down our throats. Anyone wanting to come here ask a UPS pilot to show you our tech/scheduling website and tools. We are literally light years behind even a crappy regional.

As far as the JA and open time, until we get it down to a handful, it is pointless to point fingers, single out anyone for exercising their contractual right. We have way too many doing this to single out anyone. Side deals (non contractual offerings) are another story and are very nefarious/negative for us as a group.