My bad Albie, I misunderstood your point of view..Makes sense..

No problem. ****ing people off, even when I am just trying to discuss stuff appears to be a gift of mine lately on APC. Certainly not my intent, and I hope my track record shows the respect I have for most of my peers here in the profession.

It's probably because you're "FDX/DAL material" ;)

I would agree with this. While I don't work for UPS, I certainly felt what you are saying during the interview and during the time I spent conversing with UPS pilots at OBAP.

When I spoke with the FedEx recruiter he asked if I had been in the military and I said yes... as the conversation progressed and he asked what I flew in the Army, I told him I was an enlisted helicopter mechanic and he acted as if I had lied to him. He then wrapped up the conversation with... "maybe you should consider becoming a check-airman or go into the training department to make your resume stand out more". And that was the end of me and FedEx.

UPS seemed to be impressed with my journey...

Yes I was an enlisted solider... who served in combat operations (Desert Storm), then was honorably discharged, put himself through college and graduated with honors, drove a truck at night for the Post Office so I could learn how to fly... then got a job working on the hanger floor of a freight hauler, built my time and worked my way up the ladder. For my present employer I am a OEM trained MX test pilot who is authorized to conduct Operational Check Flights on acft returning to service.

And I will be the first person to tell you I am not better than the next guy, I feel very fortunate and blessed my career has brought me this far. I remember peeling potatoes in the military, not launching off the USS Eisenhower thinking I was a total bad@ss. I have the great fortune to fly with some of the greatest pilots in this country... some flew C130's, some flew Caravans and Barons, and some flew helicopters. We all travel this journey through life with ideas and concepts that change as we age. I have become more humble and realize I have a life others will never be given.

~Wolf

Just reviewing recent new hire profiles, it seems they value experienced pilots regardless of background. Average TT's have been around 8-9K+ since hiring resumed in 2014. All of the Atlas NH's I've met were long time regional, corporate, or foreign carrier guys before Atlas. RJ guys were LCA's, IP's, etc.

While proportionally few new hires are coming direct from the USAF/USN, many have transitioned to civilian gigs and then came to Brown so I think mil guys are still regarded well here, just not those fresh from separation.

UPS is the ultimate "blue collar" mindset. Many managers on the ground side spent years loading boxes or driving. Same goes on the airline side. The job we do is essentially identical as anywhere else meaning we move the planes in flight. They like to hear that you consider the entire operation and your role as just a small part of it though. They hate egos.

UPS hires well for sure. The IPA is better for it.

- 8500TT
- 3550 Jet PIC
- 7000 Jet
-12 years global ops on Gulfstreams Part 91/135
- College Degree
- one internal recommendation
- one job fair
- prior military, all enlisted
- freight dog in a Baron way way back

**I AM NOT ON PROPERTY**

But I did just receive my pool letter.



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As a current UPS pilot, and a former Delta guy, I can guarantee you that UPS absolutely loves this about you. Delta...maybe not so much. If you had thrown boxes for UPS at some point in this quest to become a pilot, you would be a hero to them. Starting at the bottom, and working your way up through the ranks is the UPS way. Just look at all the resumes of the senior management team there.

UPS couldn't understand why they weren't allowed to promote senior truck drivers into the pilot slots, and just train them accordingly when they started the "airline." This is the mentality you're dealing with at UPS. It's a trucking/logistics company run by box heads, it's not an airline.

I'd bet that you'll be getting a call very soon for a class date.

Thanks Archie... greatly looking forward to joining this pilot group. Lots of guys reached out and gave me good, solid information as I moved through the process. I won't forget it.


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...like a breath of fresh air! :) something that actually makes sense for a change!
hope fedex and delta interview panels will catch up to logic as well!

before anybody says anything, I have absolutely no hard feelings for military pilots. All their hard work should be rewarded with pensions and pay on par with delta and fedex without them having to work there