Airline Pilot Central Forums
1  2 
Page 1 of 2
Go to

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Your Photos and Videos (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/your-photos-videos/)
-   -   F-4 (Udvar-Hazy Center - IAD) (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/your-photos-videos/51607-f-4-udvar-hazy-center-iad.html)

Flyjets1 06-23-2010 06:43 PM

F-4 (Udvar-Hazy Center - IAD)
 
http://gwatt.smugmug.com/Airplanes/F...2_8o872-X2.jpg

Hacker15e 06-24-2010 02:16 AM

Great shot...love the lighting.

el jefe 06-24-2010 05:30 AM

I have always wondered, what is the purpose of the gap between the engine inlet and the fuselage?

Shaggy1970 06-24-2010 05:46 AM

The inlet is retractable, meaning as the airflow increases to the engines that inlet closes to keep the air entering the intake below subsonic speed!

Hacker15e 06-24-2010 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el jefe (Post 831396)
I have always wondered, what is the purpose of the gap between the engine inlet and the fuselage?

It keeps the turbulent airflow that is on the side of the fuselage from going down the intake and disrupting the airflow at the face of the compressor.

Cruz5350 07-29-2010 06:33 AM

What a beast

UAL T38 Phlyer 08-06-2010 08:47 AM

Complete Answer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by el jefe (Post 831396)
I have always wondered, what is the purpose of the gap between the engine inlet and the fuselage?

Shaggy, somewhat incomplete...Hacker is closer.

The Boundary Layer starts at the leading edge of any aircraft or its surfaces. There is some complex math involved, but essentially, the boundary layer gets thicker and thicker as you move aft. The speed of the air in the boundary layer is supposed to be zero at the skin, and increase until it reaches your true airspeed as you move away from the skin.

The gap is the "Splitter Plate," and is supposed to keep the intake in free-stream air, instead of being mixed with some slow-moving boundary-layer air (which would make it turbulent).

The splitter doesn't 'retract:' the leading edge is fixed, and the portion at the front of the intake-lip moves out to partially close the intake at supersonic speeds. (So you could say it "Extends.") By reducing the area air can go in to the engine, it then expands behind the intake, and slows down...to subsonic speeds. Jet engines don't like supersonic air.

You will see this gap on any fuselage-mounted engine (MD-80; F-15; F-18, F-16). The Hornet and Viper have the gap "above" the inlet, but the concept is the same.

Phantom Flyer 10-22-2010 03:52 PM

You Got an "A", Sir.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 851912)
The Boundary Layer starts at the leading edge of any aircraft or its surfaces. There is some complex math involved, but essentially, the boundary layer gets thicker and thicker as you move aft. The speed of the air in the boundary layer is supposed to be zero at the skin, and increase until it reaches your true airspeed as you move away from the skin.

The gap is the "Splitter Plate," and is supposed to keep the intake in free-stream air, instead of being mixed with some slow-moving boundary-layer air (which would make it turbulent).

The splitter doesn't 'retract:' the leading edge is fixed, and the portion at the front of the intake-lip moves out to partially close the intake at supersonic speeds. (So you could say it "Extends.") By reducing the area air can go in to the engine, it then expands behind the intake, and slows down...to subsonic speeds. Jet engines don't like supersonic air.

Excellent and correct explanation Mr. T38 Phlyer. Thanks.

Thanks for the photo of the best damn fighter ever. Yea, yea, I know about the F-14, F-16 and others but even though it was a handful at times, what a hell of an aircraft !

Gads, I miss her. :)

SKYKN6 10-23-2010 08:04 AM

But not an A+ - T38
 
My aero engineering and phantom memories(did/flew both) are getting faded but the ramp did not start moving until the 1.3-1.5+ mach regime. (Can't remember exactly). This was done to ANGLE the supersonic shock wave so the wave totally occured before hitting the compressor face(really bad). The ramp moving to reduce the area as T38 said is not really correct. Other fighters without moving ramps like the F104 (500 hrs in that) have longer inlets or adequate fixed ramps/cones to insure the shock wave happens and the air goes subsonic before getting to the compressor face. End of thread drift! Nice picture!

Cubdriver 10-23-2010 11:02 AM

Nice explanation KN. I have an aero degree and I know all the science involved with supersonic inlet design, but it often takes model-specific knowledge to be able to say exactly what a design feature does even knowing the science so I generally prefer not to speculate. For example, in this case on the F-4 it is obvious the vertical blade is a boundary layer separator, but I did not know the whole thing moves. If I had known that I might have ventured a guess it changes the cross section area to slow down the air and it might have dawned on me it also relocates the shock a little bit, but model-specific information is needed to be able to say for sure.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:03 PM.
1  2 
Page 1 of 2
Go to


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands