HeavyJet

MEF as in stealing jobs.

skypiratedc10

Just wondering what the feelings are from the line guys now that all the furloughed pilots have been asked back. Would someone only offered a management position be looked on poorly in the future? I've had my application in now for about a month with nothing rising but I wanted to know should it come to pass that the offer is on the table for a management position and only a management position what the feelings are these days. I must say having a Union background in my family I would not have contemplated this management option with furloughed pilots on the ramp - but again that is just a personal decision of mine. These days it seems like it might be an option I might consider - but would like some inputs from all points of the compass on this should it come to pass.

Archie Bunker

The feelings are: nothing has changed. We are the IPA, and they are management pilots. Period.

Unless you've flown the line here as an IPA pilot, it's very difficult for you to understand the dynamic between the two groups. Personally, I look at guys that were hired directly into management as rubes. They knew nothing of the company culture or about flying here...they basically don't know any better. At least these guys have that as an excuse. However, that isn't going to get you much respect from the line pilots.

IPA pilots that crossed over to management are the worst kind of vermin. They know what's up, and they did it anyway for personal gain. No excuse, no respect, no trust.

Vito

Skypiratedc10,

One very important aspect of becoming a Mgt pilot at UPS which is often overlooked is, your now in the corporate "rat race" and climbing the corporate ladder at UPS. This means that you can accept the position as a 757 pilot in Louisville, move your family to Louisville, and 6 months later your "offered" a position as an Anchorage MD-11 pilot. If you don't play nice and move to ANC, your future potential is affected. Most managers jump around the system every few years, and most have to play "the game" or others get the promotions. Part of the reason many of us become pilots is the fact that we don't have to kiss the bosses ass, or brown-nose to get ahead. There are a lot of Mgrs that are much more interested in climbing the corporate ladder, stepping on your head and hands as they climb over you. So, if you think you'll be able to fly and live where you want like a line pilot, you would be mistaken. Its similar to being on active duty in the military, they want you to stand up straight and salute sharply and follow orders.

Pilot7576

This thread reminds me of the comparison between a catfish and a ups mgmt pilot...one is a scum-sucking, bottom-dwelling creature that eats dirty scraps and the other one is just a fish.

skypiratedc10

Well I guess that answers that.

I do wonder how the "company" keeps running if there is a need to fill these types of flying positions and no one from the IPA dare take those positions for the above mentioned reasons. I mean how is this a sustainable business plan in the end?

Wishing you all clear skies and sorry to open an old wound.

S

Anc74

It's always funny, or sad maybe, to see the mgt pilots sucking up, backslapping and bootlicking. It's really pathetic but it's what they have to do in that position of corporate suckup. No thanks.

UPSpilott

Words out on the line are 4 IPA guys are about to cross. One of them is rumored to be MG on the -400.

Might be BS.

Luckydawg

There is no need to fill pilot positions on the management side. They do because they can. They have no work rules and will fly to unlimited international duty and FAA mins. Management pilots don't really manage anything. They fly first and fill some sort of box for their existence and call it management. What's the number? Around 200 mgt pilots for a total pilot work force of 2516? That's 8%. Do you know of any other airline in the world with an 8% management to pilot work force?

There is the IPA side and the dark side. We have a union but they have far more protection on their side. They are a cozy bunch that looks after one another. They give themselves titles but we only really need a handful, just like all the other airlines in the world.

brownie

Can't stop this madness so I don't give a s...t anymore and if its true please be senior to me