Unrealistic Accepted Fares.......Again
10-29-2013, 06:48 AM
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Unrealistic Accepted Fares.......Again
"It's like Deja Vu all over again...." Have a 13:10hr DH CAN-CDG. Published accepted fare $3963, actual fare paid $6622. This Mgmt. section is so twisted and untruthful. I wonder how it would stack up if looked at under the Co's Ethics and Practices stated business policy? 
10-29-2013, 08:10 AM
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I think they were going to be called Excepted Fares, because one flight a month could actually be had for that fare, and it would be the exception that proved the rule.
Once pilots deviated and found away to fly for less than the real fare, then they became "Accepted Fares", by both the company and the deviator.
I refuse to Accept the fare quoted, and don't deviate.
Once pilots deviated and found away to fly for less than the real fare, then they became "Accepted Fares", by both the company and the deviator.
I refuse to Accept the fare quoted, and don't deviate.
10-29-2013, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
I think they were going to be called Excepted Fares
Why should we have to negotiate this issue, why wouldn't management just fix it because it's the "right thing to do." (Just Culture?). I guess they've given up on the concept of a happy workforce that does a good job because they feel appreciated?
What was that old Federal Express slogan? "If you take care of your employees, they'll take care of the customer ... and we'll make a profit?" ... Or something like that? Maybe I'm confused?
10-29-2013, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
Hypothetical situation.
Accepted fare $875. Ticket bought for you and email received for $1500. Once received, pilot deviates with a ticket for $1175 of same class. Outcome?
Accepted fare $875. Ticket bought for you and email received for $1500. Once received, pilot deviates with a ticket for $1175 of same class. Outcome?
10-29-2013, 09:40 AM
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I hear Ya!
Originally Posted by FLMD11CAPT
"It's like Deja Vu all over again...." Have a 13:10hr DH CAN-CDG. Published accepted fare $3963, actual fare paid $6622. This Mgmt. section is so twisted and untruthful. I wonder how it would stack up if looked at under the Co's Ethics and Practices stated business policy?
The thing that amazes me most, is that WE can be fired for a "lack of integrity" yet it's okay for the company! Complete and total Bull$hit! Ethics and business? No such thing.
10-29-2013, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
Hypothetical situation.
Accepted fare $875. Ticket bought for you and email received for $1500. Once received, pilot deviates with a ticket for $1175 of same class. Outcome?
Accepted fare $875. Ticket bought for you and email received for $1500. Once received, pilot deviates with a ticket for $1175 of same class. Outcome?
One other situation that comes up occasionally is a trip with multiple DHs and one of the actual ticket prices overshoot the accepted.
Say you have front DH with $3000 accepted fare. There's also a mid-trip DH with an accepted fare of $500. You deviate and buy a ticket for $2800, planning on using the $200 for GT, airport parking or whatever.
The mid-trip DH ticket actually costs $1000. In that case, once you actually fly the mid-trip as scheduled and your trip is over you can put in for an adjustment to your bank. On your expense report, via a discrepancy in the travel bank section, you can raise the accepted fare on that mid-trip DH to match the actual so the $200 you were counting on is still available for your use.
10-29-2013, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
Hypothetical situation.
Accepted fare $875. Ticket bought for you and email received for $1500. Once received, pilot deviates with a ticket for $1175 of same class. Outcome?
Accepted fare $875. Ticket bought for you and email received for $1500. Once received, pilot deviates with a ticket for $1175 of same class. Outcome?
You hypothetical used to be the standard practice. It was even written in the expense report instructions that you could use the higher of: the accepted fare, your actual fare, or the actual fare of anyone on the pairing. But when the company went to their FOX reporting system in 2006 they unilaterally changed the rules. We opted to negotiate in good faith instead of using the grievance system.
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