Delta to purchase $2.3 BILLION worth of RJ's
09-27-2016, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
Agreed. I'm all for scope, but if Delta wants up to fifty more 76 seaters and they will get rid all the 50 seaters and have an overall reduction in seats flown at the connection carriers then I'm all for it. Especially since they will be tied to mainline block hour ratios. Seems like a win win. We get bigger pay raises and they get a few more RJ's. In an ideal world they would all be flown at mainline, but that's not happening yet. I would certainly rather have a TA that will pay me $3500 - $4000 more per month and let them have a few more RJ's then get nothing! If any of you guys were to say you'd give up that kind of money for a few more RJ's that will have no effect on your career you're not be honest with yourself.
09-27-2016, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
The reason we don't want to do that is the common thinking is the 50 seaters will go away all by themselves. Why trade something of value for something we'll get for free if we just wait it out? If they want gives on 76 seaters then we should have gets on the upper end of scope. Increase our % of flights with our JV partners and then we can talk about additional 76 seaters. Or, as others have already mentioned; if the company wants 76 seaters then bring them to mainline. They can buy every 76 seater their heart desires. When we sell scope we sell our own jobs. Every man has a price, but I don't think 16.5% (along with the sick leave and PS gives) will cut it for 50.1% of our pilot group.
09-27-2016, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
If I'm not mistaken Mike, I believe Endeavor has been bringing a bunch of 50 seaters out of the desert. That to me doesn't sound like they are going away.
In case you haven't been paying attention, more regional flying is returning to mainline everyday.
09-27-2016, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted mind
BJ,
The RJ's already have had a very negative impact on my career. I can't ignore that for ANY pay raise.
The RJ's already have had a very negative impact on my career. I can't ignore that for ANY pay raise.
09-27-2016, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
Agreed. But this deal would shrink the overall number of seats at the regionals. That's what we all want, right???
If you follow what management is trying to do here, they know they can only staff 375 DCI aircraft in the future. Only 325 of those can currently be 76-seaters with restrictions. They want to swap 50 50-seaters for 50 76-seaters and remove the restrictions.
It would actually lead to less mainline flying than if we choose not to go down that path and hold the line at 325 76-seaters with restrictions.
09-27-2016, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
If I'm not mistaken Mike, I believe Endeavor has been bringing a bunch of 50 seaters out of the desert. That to me doesn't sound like they are going away.
09-27-2016, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Those are replacing other 50s that were/are being parked by republic and expressjet. Not even a 1:1 replacement, either.
DTW-DFW
DTW-MSY
ORD-SLC
ATL-Islands (Turks)
LGA-JAX
These are A SAMPLE of CRJ900 routes, currently flown or seasonally flown by DCI. Not acceptable. Look up a compass route map, Endeavor, ASA/Expressjet. This is no different than us giving up 10 more A330s to VA. That would light a fire under most people. However some view us giving away 50 76 seat jets as harmless.
If easch 76 seat jet has 5 DAILY DEPARTURES (EXTREMELY LOW UTILIZATION) that is 19,000 seats a day we are allowing. If those same 50 50-seaters do 5 daily departures that's 12,500 seats. A net difference of +6,500 seats.
An A330 at DAL holds 293.
6500 divided by 293 = 22.18. So to put it in perspective we would be giving away 22.18 A330's. 18% isn't worth it. I do not understand who would be OK with this. Even JamesBond has to be able to see the lipstick on this pig.
09-27-2016, 02:38 PM
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Changing the narrative. From the NN 16-13:
Regional Jets
Eliminate all 50-seat RJs and increase domestic mainline block hour protection in conjunction with C-series jet deliveries and the option to add up to 50 two-class RJs (either 70- or 76-seat aircraft)
So what's being proposed ISN'T parking 50 200's for 50 170's. It's parking ALL 200's for 50 170's.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
Regional Jets
Eliminate all 50-seat RJs and increase domestic mainline block hour protection in conjunction with C-series jet deliveries and the option to add up to 50 two-class RJs (either 70- or 76-seat aircraft)
So what's being proposed ISN'T parking 50 200's for 50 170's. It's parking ALL 200's for 50 170's.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
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