Delta to purchase $2.3 BILLION worth of RJ's
09-27-2016, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32
Changing the narrative. From the NN 16-13:
Regional Jets
Eliminate all 50-seat RJs and increase domestic mainline block hour protection in conjunction with C-series jet deliveries and the option to add up to 50 two-class RJs (either 70- or 76-seat aircraft)
So what's being proposed ISN'T parking 50 200's for 50 170's. It's parking ALL 200's for 50 170's.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
Regional Jets
Eliminate all 50-seat RJs and increase domestic mainline block hour protection in conjunction with C-series jet deliveries and the option to add up to 50 two-class RJs (either 70- or 76-seat aircraft)
So what's being proposed ISN'T parking 50 200's for 50 170's. It's parking ALL 200's for 50 170's.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
09-27-2016, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
Agreed. I'm all for scope, but if Delta wants up to fifty more 76 seaters and they will get rid all the 50 seaters and have an overall reduction in seats flown at the connection carriers then I'm all for it. Especially since they will be tied to mainline block hour ratios. Seems like a win win. We get bigger pay raises and they get a few more RJ's. In an ideal world they would all be flown at mainline, but that's not happening yet. I would certainly rather have a TA that will pay me $3500 - $4000 more per month and let them have a few more RJ's then get nothing! If any of you guys were to say you'd give up that kind of money for a few more RJ's that will have no effect on your career you're not be honest with yourself.
09-27-2016, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32
Changing the narrative. From the NN 16-13:
Regional Jets
Eliminate all 50-seat RJs and increase domestic mainline block hour protection in conjunction with C-series jet deliveries and the option to add up to 50 two-class RJs (either 70- or 76-seat aircraft)
So what's being proposed ISN'T parking 50 200's for 50 170's. It's parking ALL 200's for 50 170's.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
Regional Jets
Eliminate all 50-seat RJs and increase domestic mainline block hour protection in conjunction with C-series jet deliveries and the option to add up to 50 two-class RJs (either 70- or 76-seat aircraft)
So what's being proposed ISN'T parking 50 200's for 50 170's. It's parking ALL 200's for 50 170's.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
Ask United guys how giving away RJ flying for pay worked out.
09-27-2016, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32
So what's being proposed ISN'T parking 50 200's for 50 170's. It's parking ALL 200's for 50 170's.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
And when we give away more 76 seat rj's on the next agreement or LOA, or the next one after that, will it still be a good thing?
Now all those parked 50 seat rj's are fully replaced by 76 seat rj's. Voila. The re-fleeting of DCI has been accomplished.
History shows we will continue to give up rj scope. A little here, a little there...It's all good they'll tell us.
It is time to end it now. Why on earth would we want to repeat the 50 seat rj scope give-away fiasco with 76 seaters this time???
09-27-2016, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
The 50's are going away on their own. You're giving the 76 seaters for something that will happen anyway.
Ask United guys how giving away RJ flying for pay worked out.
Ask United guys how giving away RJ flying for pay worked out.
09-27-2016, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32
Changing the narrative. From the NN 16-13:
Regional Jets
Eliminate all 50-seat RJs and increase domestic mainline block hour protection in conjunction with C-series jet deliveries and the option to add up to 50 two-class RJs (either 70- or 76-seat aircraft)
So what's being proposed ISN'T parking 50 200's for 50 170's. It's parking ALL 200's for 50 170's.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
Regional Jets
Eliminate all 50-seat RJs and increase domestic mainline block hour protection in conjunction with C-series jet deliveries and the option to add up to 50 two-class RJs (either 70- or 76-seat aircraft)
So what's being proposed ISN'T parking 50 200's for 50 170's. It's parking ALL 200's for 50 170's.
This is a net loss of seats, block hours and jobs at DCI.
This is a GOOD thing.
50 seat regional jets are already on life support. Soon to be extinct. They are timing out. It is cost prohibitive to do the required inspections on the airframe to get an additional 10k cycles on them. I've said this and posted links in other threads. There is absolutely no reason to give on scope.
09-27-2016, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
You guys keep saying this. BIG assumption. It's no secret Delta wants to get rid of them, but if nothing changes in our scope clause I don't believe they will. Then we are stuck with an inferior product and not getting increased pay in return. Bad deal for us.
09-27-2016, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
If Republic can't operate to the standards of their contract, Delta and the other mainline partners have no obligation to pay them.
If Republic does not get paid, it can't pay for the planes. Delta can take them over that way.
It's pretty straightforward actually and goes for every regional contractor out there.
If Republic does not get paid, it can't pay for the planes. Delta can take them over that way.
It's pretty straightforward actually and goes for every regional contractor out there.
Performance is in the contract.
09-27-2016, 03:33 PM
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If these 76 seat regional jets are so cost effective, they'll do perfectly fine on mainliine's certificate. There are plenty of regional pilots that would be happy to be hired by Delta to fly these 76 seat jets at a respectable wage. We're finally in a market where we hold the negotiating leverage. The longer the company wants to play games the better it is for the pilot group in the long run to not give in.
09-27-2016, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted mind
Mr. Bond,
Do you have anything to add to this conversation? Or just cheap insults and cute one liners?
Do you have anything to add to this conversation? Or just cheap insults and cute one liners?
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