FO/SIC training at major airlines ?
09-19-2014, 01:48 PM
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FO/SIC training at major airlines ?
I am working on something at my place, and wanted to ask
1. How different is the FO/SIC training (initial, I assume at new-hire or new-equipment assignment) from a full type-rating course or full PIC course ?
2. How often are SIC's required to attend recurrent/refresher ?
3. If the answer to #1 is "not any different" why are places not issuing type ratings at completion of that training ?
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1. How different is the FO/SIC training (initial, I assume at new-hire or new-equipment assignment) from a full type-rating course or full PIC course ?
2. How often are SIC's required to attend recurrent/refresher ?
3. If the answer to #1 is "not any different" why are places not issuing type ratings at completion of that training ?
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09-19-2014, 01:57 PM
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I thought the FAA now required full PIC types even for new hires? I believe it's basically the same ride plus the CA stuff like RTO, flaps 0 landing, engine fail/relight, and some scenario(s) that makes you think/use good ADM. For #2, at my company FOs get sims every 6 months with PC/LOFT alternating back/forth.
09-19-2014, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
I thought the FAA now required full PIC types even for new hires? I believe it's basically the same ride plus the CA stuff like RTO, flaps 0 landing, engine fail/relight, and some scenario(s) that makes you think/use good ADM. For #2, at my company FOs get sims every 6 months with PC/LOFT alternating back/forth.
09-19-2014, 06:08 PM
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Not different at all, in fact it is exactly the same. Every airline has a different training curriculum and most probably focus on different things in the initial (FO) and upgrade (Capt) training. Upgrade usually hits harder on FOM stuff because that's what the Capt does on a daily basis.
Sim training is identical for both seats, in fact at many airlines the two fly the checkride together.
Why not issuing a type to the FO? A few do (insurance requirements mostly) but usually with a SIC privileges only restriction. The airline's fear is that you get hired, complete initial training, and leave with a type rating in your pocket for a different carrier. Initial training is said to cost a cool 120,000$.
Sim training is identical for both seats, in fact at many airlines the two fly the checkride together.
Why not issuing a type to the FO? A few do (insurance requirements mostly) but usually with a SIC privileges only restriction. The airline's fear is that you get hired, complete initial training, and leave with a type rating in your pocket for a different carrier. Initial training is said to cost a cool 120,000$.
09-19-2014, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
Spirit is full pic type. All training and type ride is done in the left seat. You only sit right seat during seat support and cat 3 cert.
After the type ride, you then do a LOFT sim sortie, focusing on the FO procedures and of course OE is all right seat.
09-19-2014, 09:21 PM
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jet blue changed it's syllabus this year to give FO's a full type rather than the SIC we received out of initial. The only thing different that the FAA required to be added was taxiing the jet from the right seat and a rejected takeoff.
09-20-2014, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by There is line
Why not issuing a type to the FO? A few do (insurance requirements mostly) but usually with a SIC privileges only restriction.
09-20-2014, 06:04 AM
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There is Line claims
Average monthly salary, what $4,000? Plus hotels, let's say another $3,000 a month? Average training from the first day of Indoc to the line check, and I'm being generous 3 months... That's $21,000. Then half the sim expense, let's say, 32 hours at 400 per hour divided by 2 which comes to $6,400. Oh uniforms... Let's say another $500.
That comes to $27,900. So where's the other $92,100 go for?
Can't factor additional pay for labour, as instructors are paid regardless of the number of students in the class.
initial training, and leave with a type rating in your pocket for a different carrier. Initial training is said to cost a cool $120,000.
That comes to $27,900. So where's the other $92,100 go for?
Can't factor additional pay for labour, as instructors are paid regardless of the number of students in the class.
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