Go Back   Airline Pilot Central Forums - Find your next job as a Pilot > >
Cargo Part 121 cargo airlines
 

Welcome to Airline Pilot Forums - Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. Join our community today and start interacting with existing members. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free.


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-02-2009, 07:34 AM   #1  
Line Holder
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Asleep in the Crew Bunk
Posts: 34
Default What Do You Think About Training Date Swaps?

Do you think that the present system of trading training dates with another pilot is fine?

With the current system of trading training dates, pilots wishing to swap have to get POP waivers from other pilots to get the company to execute the swap. If any pilot refuses to submit a POP waiver, they effectively veto the swap.

Do you think that training date swaps should be based on seniority? In other words, if a senior pilot wants to delay downgrade training, should they be able to delay it longer than a more junior pilot? Do you think we should be able to trade at all?

Should we keep the present system, but come to an agreement with the company that they will never have to pay POP as a result of a mutual swap of training dates between pilots that was executed at those two pilots' request?
iflyatnite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2009, 07:47 AM   #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: leaning to the left
Posts: 4,184
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by iflyatnite View Post
Do you think that the present system of trading training dates with another pilot is fine?

With the current system of trading training dates, pilots wishing to swap have to get POP waivers from other pilots to get the company to execute the swap. If any pilot refuses to submit a POP waiver, they effectively veto the swap.

Do you think that training date swaps should be based on seniority? In other words, if a senior pilot wants to delay downgrade training, should they be able to delay it longer than a more junior pilot? Do you think we should be able to trade at all?

Should we keep the present system, but come to an agreement with the company that they will never have to pay POP as a result of a mutual swap of training dates between pilots that was executed at those two pilots' request?
There was talk last contract negotiations of changing the way training dates were awarded. One of the ideas was to just have the training dates awarded by seniority bid.

That would solve the passover pay issue. There wouldn't be any. UNless the company over-rode someone's bid, I guess.
Busboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2009, 07:57 AM   #3  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 7,981
Default

We are treading awfull close to discussing contract improvements here. We all know that should only be done under the Cone of Silence lest we show the company our hand.

I am with the bid for training dates crowd.
FDXLAG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2009, 09:34 AM   #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,023
Default

Well, it's gotta be on the map, Davenport, because you say it's 22 miles away, and you're really smart...yet it's not on the map.
Daniel Larusso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2009, 09:55 AM   #5  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Cujo's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Great White North
Posts: 389
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso View Post
Well, it's gotta be on the map, Davenport, because you say it's 22 miles away, and you're really smart...yet it's not on the map.
... you need to get a different map Big man in a little jacket
Cujo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2009, 10:43 AM   #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 7,981
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso View Post
Well, it's gotta be on the map, Davenport, because you say it's 22 miles away, and you're really smart...yet it's not on the map.

Didn't mean to step on your turf; if you want to tell him not to talk about contract improvements go ahead.
FDXLAG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2009, 02:08 PM   #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,023
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FDXLAG View Post
Didn't mean to step on your turf; if you want to tell him not to talk about contract improvements go ahead.
Nope, I just find how you approach things humorous at times.
Daniel Larusso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2009, 02:26 PM   #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 7,981
Default

That is what I am here for, but relax I'll be here all season.
FDXLAG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2009, 03:23 PM   #9  
Line Holder
 
parks31's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 63
Default

Are you referring to the person who is trying to change our training swap system? On the 777 there are multiple captains that are being excessed and want to swap with more junior FO's to push back their training dates and pay cuts. A certain person does'nt want to allow the swaps so he is trying to change the contract to fit his needs. There are still numorous FO's that want to swap. I cant believe the company and union will allow this but nothing surprises me anymore. If anyone has more facts please fill free to clue me in..
parks31 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2009, 04:33 PM   #10  
Line Holder
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Asleep in the Crew Bunk
Posts: 34
Default

That's exactly what I am referring to. Some pilots are blocking training date swaps in hopes that the individual (A300 Captain) can broker a deal with the company that will give senior pilots preference in the swap process.

It will be interesting to hear the union's opinion on this.
iflyatnite is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
 

 
Reply
 



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
logging PIC question Time2Fly Corporate 38 08-11-2010 09:17 PM
Congress to Hold News Conference to Announce Nevets Regional 80 07-30-2009 07:57 AM
Real Unofficial Poll: Staple Compass if: forgot to bid Major 485 04-03-2009 07:34 PM
Junior at NW/DL? Here's some CPS flowdown info. JungleBus Major 121 12-20-2008 04:13 PM
Furloughs! ChillBillPilot Major 32 10-09-2008 04:35 PM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:04 AM.


vBulletin® v3.9.3.5, Copyright ©2000-2019, MH Sub I, LLC dba vBulletin
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Website Copyright 2000 - 2017 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1