Southwest Pilots Union Begins Strike Prep
05-12-2015, 06:26 PM
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[QUOTE=Sparta;1879290]
If it's in the best interests of the customer, then what's the problem as long as the maneuver can be accomplished safely?
We're here for the customers right? Don't they buy your groceries? Pay for your car?
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
Sidestepping is a maneuver whereby a motivated pilot agrees or volunteers to take a last second runway switch from an ILS approach to a visual approach to a runway that will result in a shorter taxi to the gate thereby saving the employing company both time and money....
We're here for the customers right? Don't they buy your groceries? Pay for your car?
05-12-2015, 06:31 PM
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[QUOTE=Sparta;1879263]
Today I witnessed "yes men" in action. Pilots sidestepping runways to save gas and time...planes taxiing faster than a Harley....if I was Southwest management I wouldn't be too worried....
EXACTLY, and that's only part of it.
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
Today I witnessed "yes men" in action. Pilots sidestepping runways to save gas and time...planes taxiing faster than a Harley....if I was Southwest management I wouldn't be too worried....
05-12-2015, 06:38 PM
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[QUOTE=jkhill0;1879296]
If it's in the best interests of the customer, then what's the problem as long as the maneuver can be accomplished safely?
We're here for the customers right? Don't they buy your groceries? Pay for your car?
Your naivety is refreshing...
Originally Posted by Sparta
If it's in the best interests of the customer, then what's the problem as long as the maneuver can be accomplished safely?
We're here for the customers right? Don't they buy your groceries? Pay for your car?
05-12-2015, 06:43 PM
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[QUOTE=Sparta;1879290]
So as I asked originally.....was safety compromised by a sidestep maneuver? A last second runway switch which results in a shorter taxi to the gate is a problem......when safety is compromised. Which was it based on your observation?
When a strike vote is voted on a sidestep maneuver "may" not be possible. Just saying. Until then saving time and gas is what professional pilots do when it can be done safely.
The Oscar
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
Sidestepping is a maneuver whereby a motivated pilot agrees or volunteers to take a last second runway switch from an ILS approach to a visual approach to a runway that will result in a shorter taxi to the gate thereby saving the employing company both time and money....
When a strike vote is voted on a sidestep maneuver "may" not be possible. Just saying. Until then saving time and gas is what professional pilots do when it can be done safely.
The Oscar
Last edited by OscartheGrouch; 05-12-2015 at 06:54 PM.
05-12-2015, 06:56 PM
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[QUOTE=OscartheGrouch;1879316]
So as I asked originally.....was safety compromised by a sidestep maneuver? A last second runway switch which results in a shorter taxi to the gate is a problem......when safety is compromised. Which was it based on your observation?
When a strike vote is voted on a sidestep maneuver "may" not be possible. Just saying. Until then saving time and gas is what professional pilots do when it can be done safely.
The Oscar
Thanks for your professionalism!
Originally Posted by Sparta
So as I asked originally.....was safety compromised by a sidestep maneuver? A last second runway switch which results in a shorter taxi to the gate is a problem......when safety is compromised. Which was it based on your observation?
When a strike vote is voted on a sidestep maneuver "may" not be possible. Just saying. Until then saving time and gas is what professional pilots do when it can be done safely.
The Oscar
05-12-2015, 07:07 PM
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[QUOTE=Sparta;1879327]
Thanks for your professionalism!
Still no answer to my question? I am glad I was able to help you almost double your posts on APC in less than a couple of hours.
The Oscar
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
Thanks for your professionalism!
The Oscar
05-12-2015, 07:17 PM
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[QUOTE=OscartheGrouch;1879337]
Still no answer to my question? I am glad I was able to help you almost double your posts on APC in less than a couple of hours.
The Oscar
Thanks for checking my profile...you were the first to look...
Originally Posted by Sparta
Still no answer to my question? I am glad I was able to help you almost double your posts on APC in less than a couple of hours.
The Oscar
Last edited by Sparta; 05-12-2015 at 07:46 PM.
05-12-2015, 07:20 PM
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[QUOTE=OscartheGrouch;1879316]
So as I asked originally.....was safety compromised by a sidestep maneuver? A last second runway switch which results in a shorter taxi to the gate is a problem......when safety is compromised. Which was it based on your observation?
When a strike vote is voted on a sidestep maneuver "may" not be possible. Just saying. Until then saving time and gas is what professional pilots do when it can be done safely.
The Oscar
He saw me move in for the kill. He proceeded below the hard-deck. We were below for just a few seconds. I had the shot. There was no danger, ... No... safety was not compromised....
Originally Posted by Sparta
So as I asked originally.....was safety compromised by a sidestep maneuver? A last second runway switch which results in a shorter taxi to the gate is a problem......when safety is compromised. Which was it based on your observation?
When a strike vote is voted on a sidestep maneuver "may" not be possible. Just saying. Until then saving time and gas is what professional pilots do when it can be done safely.
The Oscar
Last edited by Sparta; 05-12-2015 at 07:46 PM.
05-13-2015, 03:38 AM
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[QUOTE=OscartheGrouch;1879316]
So as I asked originally.....was safety compromised by a sidestep maneuver? A last second runway switch which results in a shorter taxi to the gate is a problem......when safety is compromised. Which was it based on your observation?
When a strike vote is voted on a sidestep maneuver "may" not be possible. Just saying. Until then saving time and gas is what professional pilots do when it can be done safely.
The Oscar
So the strike vote is your trigger to stop doing things that increase risk to you simply to create additional wealth for the company. Interesting. Seems like you should slowly start introducing some leverage now.
Originally Posted by Sparta
So as I asked originally.....was safety compromised by a sidestep maneuver? A last second runway switch which results in a shorter taxi to the gate is a problem......when safety is compromised. Which was it based on your observation?
When a strike vote is voted on a sidestep maneuver "may" not be possible. Just saying. Until then saving time and gas is what professional pilots do when it can be done safely.
The Oscar
05-13-2015, 05:49 AM
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[QUOTE=OscartheGrouch;1879226]
Oscar,
How many years past the amendable date do you start to consider the possibility of thinking about a job action type of mindset?
What will SWAPA do if DALPA gets a TA BEFORE their amendable date?
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
It is but it means nothing with a pilot group full of "yes men". Keep carrying those write-ups boys.[/QUOTE
WM,
I started to post something in reference to you........but you are not worth it!
Five years ago the "yes men" comment might have been accurate. Make NO mistake the Koolaid drinkers don't exist anymore. That is unless they have put themselves into a position where they can't absorb a pay cut (strike). I am not one of those.
The Oscar
WM,
I started to post something in reference to you........but you are not worth it!
Five years ago the "yes men" comment might have been accurate. Make NO mistake the Koolaid drinkers don't exist anymore. That is unless they have put themselves into a position where they can't absorb a pay cut (strike). I am not one of those.
The Oscar
How many years past the amendable date do you start to consider the possibility of thinking about a job action type of mindset?
What will SWAPA do if DALPA gets a TA BEFORE their amendable date?
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