Just Fly

This isn't intended to be derogatory towards anyone or put down those still trying to score that CJO, but I'm curious if the masses think the posts/credentials on APC depict the "real" hiring environment.

More specifically, there seems to be a large number of folks posting "8000 TT, 20 years military, 2000 121 time, etc, etc, etc" but haven't even been offered an interview or didn't get a CJO.

Are these folks outliers, or people w/ enemies in HR, or folks w/ some flaw in their record and will likely never get hired, or APC happens to draw in those people who haven't been successful, or something else?

With the market (debatably) hot for pilot hiring, it seems odd how many folks report years of no offers with great credentials. It could leave one to believe that fighting to meet ATP requirements will never result in getting hired.

prex8390

goes to say alot of people who are getting hired know someone in HR, are a women or minority

UAL T38 Phlyer

Not at my company.

Age seems a bigger demographic qualifyer/discriminator than the others. Average 32, +/-4. A few in their early 50s, but very rare.

About 50-50 Mil or RJ.

I'm happy to see that it seems (at least on the surface) very much based on experience, and interpersonal skills; ie, could you stand to do a 4-day trip with this person.

I know lots of guys who meet those criteria, and somehow never get the call.

Chalk it up to the mystery of the cosmos.

Sliceback

1000+ USAF guys separating. Avg flight time??? 2,500????

17,000 regional guys??? Avg flight time???? 8,000????

So half have more than those guesses.

AA has 16,000+ applications.

DL's avg civ OTS hire, since 2014, had 7,656 hrs.


There's thousands of applicants with 5,000+ hrs.

Sputnik

Or, have a passing familiarity with grammar.

I'll be here all week, try the veal.

Have you looked at the who's been hired thread? When I do, it seems to be a bunch of folks saying they got hired, and listing their qual's. Most seem kind of normal. So folks are getting hired.

The job hunt was scary to me. All I can say is focus on what you can control. Don't sweat stuff you can't.

I only know one astronaut (went to SWA), everyone else was pretty normal. We all got hired.

JamesNoBrakes

Right, so if that's who's getting hired, when I fly on a major airline, I should expect to see a lot of women and minorities in the cockpit then?

But nearly every time it's two white guys?

Lobaeux

I can count on one hand how many times I've seen a minority or woman in the cockpit when I commute.

Whoever thinks it's only minorities and women that are getting hired is delusional.

Big E 757

It's not that big of a mystery. Right now the playing field is slanted towards Military guys/girls and WO RJ Pilots with flow through type deals.

It truly sucks for the guys at regionals without any type of flow or preferential interview agreements, because 3-5 or more years ago, no one knew this would be the environment they would be competing in. But, to attract pilots at their regionals, while cutting pay, the majors had to get creative. Some guys ended up with a multi-million dollar job land that much closer, while others found that job even further out of reach.

I feel for you guys. There was no way to predict this current environment. I worked at Mesa from '96-2000. I was lucky to get hired at a major in 2000. I was youngish....29, but by virtue of getting hired at the end of the wave, and three years on furlough, and the lack of hiring up until recently, there aren't a lot of guys separating me from a 2012 hire.

The flow through a will be exhausted soon and there are only so many Military guys....Off the street hires should be increasing at most majors this year. Keep trying. Based on retirements alone, it's going to be a long, strong run of hiring going forward. Keep your chin up, your nose clean, and keep trying to better your resume. Your chance will come, as long as you take the time to submit an application. It isn't the awesome career it used to be, but it's still a great job.

FirstClass

And you don't know for sure if you are getting accurate information. Someone may say they haven't got the call but really did interview and was turned down.

BoilerUP

Network, network, network.

All things being equal (and they rarely ever are), having IP/EP/management experience along with a number of LORs - especially from internal instructor/evaluator/management types - is exceedingly helpful in getting past the tall stack of applications.