APC posts the "real" hiring environment?
11-29-2015 | 02:04 PM
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I have said this to many people. Getting on at a regional is about what you know and TT. Getting on at a major early in the waves is about who you know and how you network. Not saying it's fair and it only just an observation.
11-29-2015 | 03:41 PM
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It would be pretty easy to stop all the rumors and allegations by posting resumes/experience/qualifications like FAPA did years ago.
It's funny that in the 'information age' we have less information vs. 30 years ago.
It's funny that in the 'information age' we have less information vs. 30 years ago.
11-29-2015 | 05:32 PM
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How many have the Majors actually hired in 2015 (outside of flows/ recalls) vs the number of applicants?
If my suspicions are correct, the majors didn't do all that much hiring this year, even though there's been "talk" of the big hiring wave starting. If you feel that you're a dime a dozen with your background and none of your peers are getting hired yet, that just means the wave hasn't gotten big enough where they're picking up mainstream guys yet. They're just taking the outliers (mil, flow etc) right now, but if projections are correct in five years today's dime a dozen may be sought after because they're a known quality.
If my suspicions are correct, the majors didn't do all that much hiring this year, even though there's been "talk" of the big hiring wave starting. If you feel that you're a dime a dozen with your background and none of your peers are getting hired yet, that just means the wave hasn't gotten big enough where they're picking up mainstream guys yet. They're just taking the outliers (mil, flow etc) right now, but if projections are correct in five years today's dime a dozen may be sought after because they're a known quality.
11-29-2015 | 07:11 PM
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Flying outside the U.S. Heavies or not and trying to get back is very hard to almost impossible of getting a job with the Legacies unless you are a furlough pilot
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11-29-2015 | 10:27 PM
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How many have the Majors actually hired in 2015 (outside of flows/ recalls) vs the number of applicants?
If my suspicions are correct, the majors didn't do all that much hiring this year, even though there's been "talk" of the big hiring wave starting. If you feel that you're a dime a dozen with your background and none of your peers are getting hired yet, that just means the wave hasn't gotten big enough where they're picking up mainstream guys yet. They're just taking the outliers (mil, flow etc) right now, but if projections are correct in five years today's dime a dozen may be sought after because they're a known quality.
If my suspicions are correct, the majors didn't do all that much hiring this year, even though there's been "talk" of the big hiring wave starting. If you feel that you're a dime a dozen with your background and none of your peers are getting hired yet, that just means the wave hasn't gotten big enough where they're picking up mainstream guys yet. They're just taking the outliers (mil, flow etc) right now, but if projections are correct in five years today's dime a dozen may be sought after because they're a known quality.
This is (in a sense quite literally) the million dollar question - will the majors hire the "mainline" guys? Who is the example mainline guy anyway? I suppose much of that has to do with what happens to the regionals.
11-29-2015 | 10:57 PM
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Minority, mil, civilian, old, young, heavy time, fighter time, prop time....if you are a tool, you won't get hired even if you have one of each genitals. In regards to minorities, even if the legacies/majors were to hire every single minority pilot out there, they would still be a small minority. It's still a whiteman's profession the last time I checked the stats.
11-30-2015 | 01:26 AM
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This discussion is funny and sad. I have been moving around the sky for 25 years with no accidents, incidents on the aviation, civilian or personal side (i.e. jail, bankruptcy and the like) I have several degrees and the last two interviews the focus has been on a CII ground school failure from 25 years ago, and my cumulative GPA is 3.32. Yes I know, how did you handle the barbed looks and line of questioning. I would think that that GPA, 5 types, 12000 TT, 4500 PIC, multiple letters and internals would get a guy somewhere? I have been wrong in the past. I guess I still am, oh well, off to see the world in a 74.
11-30-2015 | 06:16 AM
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I think most would agree being a minority or a woman is not THE reason a pilot gets hired, but it definitely helps. If I had to put a percentage on the number of white males I fly with: 95%. Which if I'm an HR guy means I'm going to do my best to get non-white males on property if they have the requirements. You haven't flown with hardly any women or minorities? Well, do you think that's a matter of your company intentionally turning them away, or their not pursuing the profession? Positives on your app help you get the interview. Being a woman or a minority is just another positive, albeit a huge one.
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