grant123

Wondering how Reserve or Guard flying duty works with your schedule, time & pay while flying full time for an airline? Does it come down to scheduling your military commitment on days off or can you complete duty time during a scheduled trip with the airlines and the trip is "dropped"? Does each airline have different rules (per contract) or is it pretty much standard across the board?

rickair7777

Federal law requires that they release you in time to travel to your duty location and then get adequate rest before reporting. You are also get the same on the back end of your duty.

How various airlines implement this varies. They CANNOT require you to do your reserve time on your scheduled days off, although a few rogue chief pilots have tried this in the past.

My company prefers that I notify them prior to the bid, in which case the mil leave is pre-assigned and my schedule is built around it. I block off the time I need including travel days. They actually give me "virtual credit" for reserve days in PBS so the system does not build me a full line during the rest of the month, which might otherwise take my days off way down.

Also, you can drop short-notice mil leave which just overwrites your existing schedule. Airlines don't have to like this, they just have to do it. Worst case they complain to your CO who will probably just blow them off. Your CO has no incentive to bust your balls to make an airline happy.

After ten years of war, the feds have pretty much sorted out any large company which tries to play games with their reservists. You won't have any issues.

Military flight and duty time do NOT count against FAR limits in any way. You just want to be adequately rested before returning to 121 flying.

GoFaster

Rickair - thanks for the info... I've also wondered about this as I try to decide what to do when I grown up. I notice you used the word 'require'.... do the airlnes expect you to schedule some of your reserve time during time off? In other words, would it be poo-pooed to schedule, say 6 days of reserve duty after a 4-day break (or something to that effect). I just wonder if flying for airlines and the guard is more like having two part-time jobs or two full-time jobs.

rickair7777

More like two part time jobs. In the current climate (ie war) large companies are very reluctant to give reservists a hard time...it's not worth the bad press.

If they really though you were gaming the system (and your CP cared, which he might not) all they can do is complain to your CO. But there is no recourse beyond that, and your CO probably prefers to keep you happy...

But don't go over-the-top, like super-junior pilots scheduling mil leave over every major holiday (unless are deployed of course). Everybody knows you'll probably be on stand-down or half days.

airborne840

Can anyone please help me understand virtual credit? Also, I'm aware of the requirements to get drill off but how would it work doing my flying during the week on AFTPs? Essentially we have the flexibility to build our own Guard schedule using AFTPs but they are not considered orders. Generally at minimum, flying helos at the unit on AFTPs will require me to fly 4 days a month + drill. Any tips?

Spike from flyi

I would not assume this (no issues). After ten years of war, these scumbag operators feel that they are the ones sacrificing by letting you go to drill. I would love to hear from anyone who is having difficulties with their employer getting time off for drill, AFTPs, ADSW, AD, AT, etc. Orders are orders, and they are obligated to roll over. You'd be surprised to learn about the lobbying effort that airlines are launching to get relief from complying with USERRA.

AFTPs are scheduled at your convenience (coordinating with the rest of the crew and support personnel). I advise you to have your commander prepare a boiler plate letter to "request" your employer allow you the time off. You won't be paid for the time off, so maximize your pay or quality of life with this feature.

As the "Pilot Shortage" develops, you can expect that discrimination against drilling Guard and Reserve members will increase. Too bad. The answer is: Hire enough to staff your airline and pay them what they're worth! No apologies for serving your county.

rickair7777

My comments from four years ago are a bit dated. I have also heard some recent rumblings that airlines are trying to explore ways to "crack down" on reserves. But there's probably not much they can really do with the law being changed, which is highly unlikely in the mid-term IMO.

But generally airlines are way better than a white collar job where you WILL be doing civilian work and skyping at 0200 local while on mil duty.

rickair7777

Virtual credit days block off your airline schedule so nothing gets assigned there, and they also count towards your total required monthly credit value. You don't get paid for the virtual credit but it prevents your scheduling system from cramming 80+ hours of flying into that part of the month where you're not on mil leave. My company uses 2.5 hours/day so if I do 4 days mil my target line value gets reduced by 10 hours. So instead of getting an 84 hour line (if that were the target value), I'd get a 74 hour line.

Flamer

I know of one airline where I work that will no longer accept the letter from the commander as proof of duty for an AFTP or IDT period even though it is spelled out in userra and backed up by an ESGR lawyer interpretation. There is eventually going to be a fight coming due to issues like this.

rickair7777

What do they want? Your LES? I'd be inclined to give them any reasonable documentation they wanted as long as it didn't start to become onerous. Easier for me to email my LES than arrange a letter from the unit anyway. That's just throwing them a bone, maybe some manager didn't read all the rules...but if they keep pushing then it's just harassment, I'd dig in my heels and fall back on the letter of the law: Less than 30 days? Call my CO, hope he calls you back. I'm going on mil leave. Don't like it? Fire me. I'll enjoy a few months off until ESGR gets me re-instated with back pay.