BJNC17

I was on a flight where the crew supposedly made an altitude deviation in Saudi Airspace. It was apparently officially reported according to the Saudi controller. I am wondering does the military block the names for the purposes of reporting to the FAA. Also will this affect my airline applications in the future?

Packrat

Military pilots cannot be violated by the FAA. However, the FAA will turnover the record of the violation to the military branch involved. The branch can violate the offender and mete out the appropriate sanctions.

BJNC17

So we really have nothing to worry about then correct, since it wasn't even the FAA that saw the deviation it was Saudi control.

Otterbox

Flight plan has "On File" listed for crew names... Complaint filters to the service chief and then investigation comes down to the offenders command. After review the service chief decides to violate or not..

Unless something like the Saudis file an official protest with the Embassy and it flows from State to Mother Blue- you guys should be fine. You certainly wouldn't be the first ones to get a verbal thrashing from the local controllers though.

Pro Tip: never use the offending calls sign in country again... And avoid ones containing the same first digit (happened to me once... My callsign ended in 2X, a couple weeks later the Squadron XOs aircraft, with the call sign ending in 2 ****ed the same group of controllers off and they blamed him for my previous irritation and threatened to get him kicked out of theater if he violated again. He was very confused by the whole thing.)

BJNC17

Good deal thanks for the input. If they ever were to release the tapes of it there were multiple people on headset that said we did what they cleared us to do....somehow I bet they wouldn't ever give those tapes over though.

Flying Boxes

WARNING: Long time since AIS class!

Military is does NOT have to provide crew names. In fact, military is NOT supposed to even mention names. If given the call this number when on the ground, use your callsign....from a base/none cell phone phone. This happened to me in the late 90s. By time on the ground the tapes were reviewed and I was thanked for actually trying to correct the issue before the violation. (controller vs. controller violation occured)

FAA can violate your CIVILIAN FAA certificate....only if they can confirm it is you. But again see above.

If no FAA certificate yet, it can never be put on your record when you do.

If it was so bad that it reached AMC HQ, this would probablynot be a very big deal. Did you complete an ASAP??????

PM if you want more info.

PurpleToolBox

Pro tip: use your internationally cleared callsign or else you end up an international incident. If you have the luxury of changing the callsign, do it. But if you are doing it without coordinating, you are making a huge mistake.

PurpleToolBox

If HQ AMC/SqCC didn't hand out a Q3 or reprimand, you're good to go. Otherwise, you have one of those stories to tell the interviewers.

BJNC17

ASAP filed...DO notified (pretty much said not to worry about it) and there were no RA's complied with by us or any other aircraft. I also read in the 202 that the military cannot release names unless and Air Force representative releases them in concurrence with /A3 approval. I made both copilots write their statements of what they heard and they are held on file at our squadron. Only reason I'm nervous is of course my applications in at DAL and UAL. I don't know whether to check the box "have I been violated or not". Just a bad experience overall. I was napping in the bunk, woke up and two brand new copilots got me in this mess lol. I do trust them however since they both said that the controller wanted them at FL340.

Tweetdrvr

A little off topic but a definite BIG + 1 on not using your personal mobile phone to talk with flight service or ATC while conducting military business.

A few years ago while filing a flightplan out of San Antonio from the FBO, I used their landline to call the new contract FSS. The first question I was asked when the specialist picked up the phone was is this Mooney NXYZ12? I said no and gave my military call sign and that I was calling from Landmark Aviation in San Antonio. He told me that was the last call sign that was filed from this phone number, so they are tracking phone numbers. I never used my personal phone after that for military business in case a student did something to me that could associate my phone number with my own tail number and therefore my ticket, which could result in an unpaid vacation from my civilian job.