Yoda2

Sorry Stef, Not loggable unless you are a legal SIC or is logged as flight instruction. Many years ago, I had a few hundred hours of flying the boss around in various twins, on his ticket. Nobody logged it. It did prove very valuable experience later on. In the past I have been involved with hiring pilots and if I saw this time you would politely be shown the door. However, seeing the same thing with nice single lines through it might have the opposite effect. Not uncommon to see incorrect logging and P51 time in low time logbooks; can cause more trouble than it's worth. Additionally someone can fly with you for 15 minutes and tell anyway.

Tpinks

True, however for insurance purposes, it could be logged in a separate logbook altogether. And since most hiring time requirements are due to insurance requirements rather than FAR requirements...

I do know someone who did this in the past and the insurance company accepted the flight time. I can't remember the specifics, but I know she lost her medical and it was all part 91 flights. I think that she was able to use that separately logged time that she flew with her husband, but wasn't able to legally log it, for the time in type requirements of the insurance policy once she regained her medical.

Yoda2

A separate logbook, really? Flight time is only one thing that employers look at. They are also looking for honesty, integrity and trust. The insurance companies can put just about anyone they feel like on a policy. In the early days I was twice put on policies with much lower time than was being asked for. My boss trusted and vouched for me, and that was good enough for the broker. PS, Today there are about a handful of aviation insurers, and they all talk to each other.

Flyhayes

This only applies if the operator is operating under a 135 certificate, on a 135 flight and the companies ops spec require an SIC.

JohnBurke

No, it doesn't apply at all, because it's untrue and incorrect.

A single pilot aircraft, however, can still require two pilots under certain operating rules (Part 135 is an example, safety pilot operations is another).

Logging total time without the ability to log PIC or SIC or instruction received, doesn't apply under a 135 certificate, or under any other civil circumstance.

OpSpecs requiring a SIC aren't required under 135 to need two pilots in IFR operations. OpSpecs are required to allow single pilot operation with an autopilot in lieu of a SIC.

Tpinks

The separate log book was just to make sure it does not get mixed up with her official flight times. Nothing dishonest about that.

Yoda2

About the only reason I can think of for the typical pilot to use someone else's logbooks would be a former instructors, to assist in recreating a lost logbook. The only time that counts is what is in your logbook, 8710 or medical form; and those should all be in agreement, or very nearly so. As an aside, Even though the airlines might get hard up for pilots, especially with the new ATP deal, they will likely be scrutinizing logbooks more than ever.

aviatrixsteff

I 100% agree that it's not loggable time per the FARs. And therefore it really -shouldn't- go in my logbook, but it's actually helped me get a few interviews/gigs in the right seat since then, so I I've just left it. If I was going to an airline or 135 interview I would mark it out. Id keep it on my resume though, because I didn't just work radios, I flew.

That being said, if I was OP I would only take that kind of job if it will enable him to move to the left seat in a reasonable amount of time or if it's just part time to gain some experience/money.

JohnBurke

That is not the most ridiculous thing I've seen posted here.

It's close, though.

It's also quite incorrect. Log passenger time, and time spent standing under the wing of red airplanes, and time in aircraft that you spotted form the ground, too. All equally legitimate in comparison to what you propose.

Av8er1550

So, in response to my post awhile back in this thread, I flew right seat in a King Air 200 and the guy in the left seat who flies it often is an MEI. I logged the time as TT but nothing as far as PIC/SIC. I am on the road for work right now, but when I can, I need to go back to him and have him sign his name on it. When he signs his name on it, then that makes it legitimate correct?

I understand what you guys are saying now in regards to TT cannot be logged with nothing else logged as far as PIC, SIC, or flight instruction.

I was almost ready to finish my CFI and got a call one night from a guy with an aerial surveying company. Apparently, one of their senior guys quit overnight and he wanted me on a flight to their home base the next day (will be gone for 7 months) so that's what I'm doing now. Just flying a 172 all around the country doing some surveying. I've really enjoyed it so far. There's some quality flight time to be spent doing this. The aircraft is a bit older, fresh out of annual, no auto-pilot (which I'm glad) and everything is operative so that's all I really care about. It's been fun.

I got my taste of the harshness of the leeward side of some of these rocky mountains. Not severe but enough to open my eyes a bit. Mountain flying is fun but you just have to be cautious in the smaller birds. So, I guess I'll do this for awhile and build time!