Poor Great Lakes :(
10-09-2015, 11:48 AM
#251
Chief A'Hole
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Barely Flying!
Posts: 402
Originally Posted by SilverFlying
Exactly. Less than 1,500 on my book. I don't agree because its way more money to pay to get there, for those of us that don't want to teach.
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10-09-2015, 07:08 PM
#252
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 338
I finally held upgrade in 2008 when most new hires had 300 hrs. A new Capt. (albeit with 10K hrs) paired with an inexperienced FO in a jet just wasn't great.
All of them had good attitudes. Some of them were great pilots. Most were ok. Some of them were not even in the airplane. I've always said it wasn't their fault- they just didn't have the experience. I hear the arguments about 1K hrs in the traffic pattern don't equate but you learn so much more than you think.
And here's the rub- the pax paid for and thought they had two fully qualified flight crew, when in fact they didn't. They deserve better, and quite frankly so does the rest of the crew.
Now, back to GLA hating...
All of them had good attitudes. Some of them were great pilots. Most were ok. Some of them were not even in the airplane. I've always said it wasn't their fault- they just didn't have the experience. I hear the arguments about 1K hrs in the traffic pattern don't equate but you learn so much more than you think.
And here's the rub- the pax paid for and thought they had two fully qualified flight crew, when in fact they didn't. They deserve better, and quite frankly so does the rest of the crew.
Now, back to GLA hating...
10-10-2015, 05:42 PM
#253
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: B-767 FO
Posts: 554
Originally Posted by pagey
I think the 1500 hour rule is pretty great, not gonna lie. That being said I had almost 3000 hours when I got hired at an airline. Just because I did it that way doesn't mean everyone else should as well but.....I also don't believe a 500 hour pilot should be flying around in a 85,000lb jet. There are absolutely exceptions to that statement but in general it holds true.
As far as "paying tons and tons" you shouldn't be paying for much of anything after you get a CMEL/CFI. You can now be paid to fly.
Truth is if you come out of flight school with ~300 hours it shouldn't take you more than a year, or year and a half to obtain 1500 hours. I don't think waiting a year to get into the right seat of a large jet with potentially 80+ PAYING PASSENGERS sitting behind you is too much to ask.
As far as "paying tons and tons" you shouldn't be paying for much of anything after you get a CMEL/CFI. You can now be paid to fly.
Truth is if you come out of flight school with ~300 hours it shouldn't take you more than a year, or year and a half to obtain 1500 hours. I don't think waiting a year to get into the right seat of a large jet with potentially 80+ PAYING PASSENGERS sitting behind you is too much to ask.
You finally a Captain @ PSA now?
Get off your damn pedestal.
It's currently a great time to be in the industry and advance quickly. These guys are looking to get their time quickly no matter the QOL.
10-10-2015, 06:01 PM
#256
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: B-767 FO
Posts: 554
Originally Posted by rickair7777
I think mesa 900s had 86 seats when operated for America west.
10-29-2015, 09:46 AM
#259
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 23
Originally Posted by Coneydog
What do you mean 'it's more money to get there'? Here's a thought: go out and get a friggin job, build your flight time, and quit crying. Pay your dues and stop whining. You're not entitled to anything. As long as there's guys like you who'll do this job for free, we're all screwed.
10-29-2015, 01:47 PM
#260
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,083
Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy
I finally held upgrade in 2008 when most new hires had 300 hrs. A new Capt. (albeit with 10K hrs) paired with an inexperienced FO in a jet just wasn't great.
All of them had good attitudes. Some of them were great pilots. Most were ok. Some of them were not even in the airplane. I've always said it wasn't their fault- they just didn't have the experience. I hear the arguments about 1K hrs in the traffic pattern don't equate but you learn so much more than you think.
And here's the rub- the pax paid for and thought they had two fully qualified flight crew, when in fact they didn't. They deserve better, and quite frankly so does the rest of the crew.
Now, back to GLA hating...
All of them had good attitudes. Some of them were great pilots. Most were ok. Some of them were not even in the airplane. I've always said it wasn't their fault- they just didn't have the experience. I hear the arguments about 1K hrs in the traffic pattern don't equate but you learn so much more than you think.
And here's the rub- the pax paid for and thought they had two fully qualified flight crew, when in fact they didn't. They deserve better, and quite frankly so does the rest of the crew.
Now, back to GLA hating...
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