Tacos

Typical pilot huh? Somebody actually tries to give constructive criticism and you jump all over them. Actually I fly for XJT, but think what you will.

Diesel8

Bait & Switch...

The subscription for a service that is provided by Apple is criminal.

I just want Logten 6.5.1 fixed to work with the iCloud Drive , and I will not pay a subscription fee.

Once you, as a company owner, are getting a subscription fee there is NO impetus to improve or update your program. The hook of timely and often updates is a ruse, a red herring.

The subscription rate can suddenly go up as soon as a sufficient amount of people have subscribed to re-capture the customer base. What's to prove otherwise?

Noah's business model has always been extremely high end and greedy. What would be considered fractional updates have always been marketed as full version upgrades with the correspondingly high price. This is the history and it WILL NOT change.

He has lost all credibility in the eyes of most of his customers.

To quote Dr. "Phil" McGraw:

"The best predictor of future behavior is … past behavior"

Noah is not going to change, and any attempt to seemingly acquiesce to his customers is just a ploy to further his OVERWHELMINGLY greedy goals.

I am not against people taking the opportunity to make money, but Noah's plans are pure extortion and it is a game that I suggest no one take part of. Just say "No!"

DOGIII

I hope the newly updated price point is a sign that the pressure is working (I did my part by sending over some respectful and aggressive emails to Noah and Coradine as well). Hopefully we can get it down to around a 15-30 price point.
There was one thing I was pondering though:
I was satisfied to see so many pilots rate the app negatively on the App Store (this is definitely helping our cause), but don't you have to own the product to review it?
Hopefully many customers have downloaded the product in order to post a review, but will still hold the line until the annual fee drops considerably.
I must admit- the small price cut is tempting, even if just to keep trucking with the app while sending Coradine more mail until they adjust the price to a value that is acceptable to their customer base.


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motormadness

Don't negotiate in public please.

NovemberBravo

I almost caved but I refuse price must come down

The Juice

There is zero reason to upgrade to version 7 if you use the ios and Mac version.

I have version 6 on my Mac and ios device and pay nothing a month after my initial purchase 2 years ago. Only drawback is I have to sync now via wifi, which isnt a big deal since Coradine has zero interest in turning cloud sync back on for version 6.

Version 7 has cloud sync but now its $50 a month if I want the ios program. I'll save the $50 and wifi sync it myself with my paid for version 6. Remember, its $50 now for the ios program, what will it be in 3 years? 5 years? Pandora's box, be careful if you open it.

EricJ320

I think you meant $50 a year?

I don't disagree with your logic, but you could find yourself in a position I was in. I had been using version 4 for years because it had been working fine, and the new features didn't really appeal to me. When Mavericks came out, version 4 no longer worked, so I had to keep a bootable drive with Lion just to maintain my logbook, and eventually the Wifi sync stopped working. I would have done something a year or two ago, but 6 had been out for a while and I didn't want to buy it only to have a new version be released shortly after. Finally 7 (or X as it's now called) came out, with this new pricing model. Do I like it? Absolutely not! Will I pay next year at full price? I dont know. But at $35 it was worth the upgrade from where I was, and pushes off the decision of switching or not at least until next year. I can say I downlaoded mccPilotlog to all my devices, and it's still locked up on my iPad, so it's got a long way to go to be a viable replacement for me.

Btw, upgrading from 4 wasn't easy. I had to send my logbook file to a friend with 6, he converted it to a 6 file, and sent it back to me for importing into X.

Long story short, sticking with 6 will work for now, but not forever. Eventually an unsupported version will become obsolete in the Mac OS.

The Juice

Oooops. Yup, a year.

And yeah, I realize that 6 will one day become junk. When that day comes, I will see what the options and prices are and make a decision at that ime.

mynameisjim

How would you sync ios 6 and Mac 7?

Onedayatatimee

Things have kind of quieted down on the logten pro X debate. Are people happy with the new price point??

To me it's still over priced at $49.99/yr. I think the first year price of $34.99 is fair.

Even though they alienated a lot of their clients it's brilliant to over price it to start and then lower it a little bit. We all think about the $69.99 price and then $49.99 doesn't sound so bad. I bet even if they started out at $49.99 there would've been an up roar. I don't blame them for trying to make some $$$. That's the American way. I guess we all gotta decide what it's worth to us.

My prediction is if enough people sign up the current price point holds. If not enough sign up the $34.99 first year price point becomes the price point even after year 1 is up.